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Old September 24th, 2008, 02:36 PM   #201
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Egyptian records predate Jewish records. Egyptians say that their God created Earth and Man. Jewish records say that their God created Earth and Man. The only thing seperating the two is that the records from the Egyptians predate those of the Jews. Sorry if my previous quote was unclear.
The date of recording which you describe here; however, does not support your claim that Jews did not believe in God between Adam and Abraham. Genesis would argue the opposite. I feel this discussion is going in circles.....
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Old September 24th, 2008, 06:29 PM   #202
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Where are you getting this from? The Egyptians could have said that their God created Earth 400 bazillion years ago. Would that make their religion the oldest? I'm saying that The Jews started their religion after other religions had come and gone. I see no evidence that this is wrong.
This is your post

It says that nobody knows the OLDEST OF ALL RELIGIONS because we may have not discovered it yet. I'm arguing that the Egyptians had a God to worship before the Father of Jesus was ever spoken of. Do you agree with this?


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Genesis, and or Exodus, or even The Septuagint.

General outline of known religions;

45,000 BC
There is evidence of human ritualistic burials at sites in Africa, Asia, and Europe.

15,000 BC
Cave paintings in Europe points toward human worship of animalistic deities.

6000 BC
Civilization begins in the Tigris and Euphrates River valleys. From this early culture cam the Sumerian civilization, they worship the sun god AN and the mother goddess Innin along with a pantheon of lesser deities.

4004 BC
Estimated date of God’s creation of the Earth, from a Biblical analysis performed by Bishop James Ussher in the seventeenth century.

3000 BC or 10000 BC
Beginnings of Hinduism in the Indus River Valley. The Hindus revere a wide pantheon of deities, all of whom are revealed as expressions of the one true Supreme Being. Thus Hinduism may be seen as either pantheistic or monotheistic.

2800 BC
The first Egyptian dynasty. The Pharaoh is proclaimed as the “God King”.

2000 BC
The beginning of Judaism in the Middle East.



This looks like your talking in circles and contradicting your own staements.


Where do I get this from?????


I get it from your posts..

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This is your post

It says that nobody knows the OLDEST OF ALL RELIGIONS because we may have not discovered it yet. I'm arguing that the Egyptians had a God to worship before the Father of Jesus was ever spoken of. Do you agree with this?


This is your post


Genesis, and or Exodus, or even The Septuagint.

General outline of known religions;

45,000 BC
There is evidence of human ritualistic burials at sites in Africa, Asia, and Europe.

15,000 BC
Cave paintings in Europe points toward human worship of animalistic deities.

6000 BC
Civilization begins in the Tigris and Euphrates River valleys. From this early culture cam the Sumerian civilization, they worship the sun god AN and the mother goddess Innin along with a pantheon of lesser deities.

4004 BC
Estimated date of God’s creation of the Earth, from a Biblical analysis performed by Bishop James Ussher in the seventeenth century.

3000 BC or 10000 BC
Beginnings of Hinduism in the Indus River Valley. The Hindus revere a wide pantheon of deities, all of whom are revealed as expressions of the one true Supreme Being. Thus Hinduism may be seen as either pantheistic or monotheistic.

2800 BC
The first Egyptian dynasty. The Pharaoh is proclaimed as the “God King”.

2000 BC
The beginning of Judaism in the Middle East.



This looks like your talking in circles and contradicting your own staements.


Where do I get this from?????


I get it from your posts..

I don't know how I can make this more clear. Would it help if I added one on the very top that said ;

2,000,000,000 B.C.
Estimated date of Helios' creation of the Earth, from an analysis performed by Jack Mehoff in the seventeenth century.

Of course Every civilization is going to say that their God created Earth and Man. The ONLY thing that seperates these religions is the dates of recorded history, and the Egyptians written history predates the Jews written history. I know this is hard for you to fathom, but please try to keep up.
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The bible is a book of stories. The stories are kind of stupid and don't make sense. I don't believe them, nor do I believe in the stories of Zeus or Vishnu. If you do, great, just don't make any major decisions based on them that will affect me in any way. thanks.
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No answers.....strange.
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I don't know how I can make this more clear. Would it help if I added one on the very top that said ;

2,000,000,000 B.C.
Estimated date of Helios' creation of the Earth, from an analysis performed by Jack Mehoff in the seventeenth century.

The ONLY thing that seperates these religions is the dates of recorded history, and the Egyptians written history predates the Jews written history.
I understand what you are saying in this statement, but this statement does not support your position that egyptians were WORSHIPING (not writing about) their gods before the Jews were worshiping their God.
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If you do, great, just don't make any major decisions based on them that will affect me in any way. thanks.
People vote based on their beliefs. The majority of votes reflecting the beliefs of the people leads to policy. That policy will affect you regardless of whether you agree. I personally will vote based on my beliefs in Christ, but will not personally force you to do anything. Agreed? If not then anarchy is the only way for you.
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I don't know how I can make this more clear. Would it help if I added one on the very top that said ;

2,000,000,000 B.C.
Estimated date of Helios' creation of the Earth, from an analysis performed by Jack Mehoff in the seventeenth century.

Of course Every civilization is going to say that their God created Earth and Man. The ONLY thing that seperates these religions is the dates of recorded history, and the Egyptians written history predates the Jews written history. I know this is hard for you to fathom, but please try to keep up.

Hey, your the guy that posted the stuff.
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The bible is a book of stories. The stories are kind of stupid and don't make sense. I don't believe them, nor do I believe in the stories of Zeus or Vishnu. If you do, great, just don't make any major decisions based on them that will affect me in any way. thanks.

Thats some strong talk comming from a soon to be Lutheran bible thumper.......
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I understand what you are saying in this statement, but this statement does not support your position that egyptians were WORSHIPING (not writing about) their gods before the Jews were worshiping their God.
OK take a step back an look at this as if you have never heard of either religion before.

Egyptians; Relics found and dated at 2,800B.C. which tell a story about their God starting the universe and creating Man.

Jews: Relics found and dated at 2,000B.C. which tell a story about their God creating Earth and creating Man

This is all we really know about either religion. There is no more evidence to support either of their stories.
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Running out of ways to dodge the question now that I have simplified it for you?
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God being, Jihad, Buddah, or father of Christ? That's what stirs things up because everyone thinks they are right.
Jihad isn't god, and Buddah isn't a god either, please http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ visit that site and just click around, it's simple and helpful in these matters

I get to see the billboards for this coexist thing all over the place, heres my two cents on it, as if you give a flying duck.

First thing one notices is that the Coexist is half stolen, in a very clever way the Pentagram and the yin yang and the Peace sign have been exxed out and all we are left with are three religions that all worship the god of abraham, because Abraham was weak and instead of standing up to god to protect his child which I think would of made for a much more noble man, he instead like a good little lamb did what he was told. I won't go into the bible being so full of holes it might as well be cheese and boy is there tons of cheese in it, not to mention violence and unless you're not paying attention a very petty and jealous god. So now that you understand that I'm a very angry Atheist you can stop reading because you disagree with me on this fundamental thing, you believe in something without proof and I don't, thanks come again.

The Radiant church is just a scam, It's designed to convert people to xianity, that's all it wants to do, it wants to coexist by eliminating the others. Who's next? Buddhists? Taoists? Sikhs? It doesn't matter, xians are worried because Islam is the fastest growing religion right now, you see it's true even bad publicity is good publicity. If you think when you get there you will get a chance to discuss issues on a level footing think again, you will be talked at and they will throw propaganda in the form of multimedia at you and you will sit there until you're sick to your stomach and then you will finally leave, having been convinced only of the fact that xians are desperate and are trying to jump on the convert bandwagon. The only people that will come will be angry idiots, and gullible peace loving hippies who believe in crystals having powers and read horoscopes and so are the target audience of the RADIANT church because those are the donors they are looking for.

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Jihad isn't god, and Buddah isn't a god either, please http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ visit that site and just click around, it's simple and helpful in these matters

I get to see the billboards for this coexist thing all over the place, heres my two cents on it, as if you give a flying duck.

First thing one notices is that the Coexist is half stolen, in a very clever way the Pentagram and the yin yang and the Peace sign have been exxed out and all we are left with are three religions that all worship the god of abraham, because Abraham was weak and instead of standing up to god to protect his child which I think would of made for a much more noble man, he instead like a good little lamb did what he was told. I won't go into the bible being so full of holes it might as well be cheese and boy is there tons of cheese in it, not to mention violence and unless you're not paying attention a very petty and jealous god. So now that you understand that I'm a very angry Atheist you can stop reading because you disagree with me on this fundamental thing, you believe in something without proof and I don't, thanks come again.

The Radiant church is just a scam, It's designed to convert people to xianity, that's all it wants to do, it wants to coexist by eliminating the others. Who's next? Buddhists? Taoists? Sikhs? It doesn't matter, xians are worried because Islam is the fastest growing religion right now, you see it's true even bad publicity is good publicity. If you think when you get there you will get a chance to discuss issues on a level footing think again, you will be talked at and they will throw propaganda in the form of multimedia at you and you will sit there until you're sick to your stomach and then you will finally leave, having been convinced only of the fact that xians are desperate and are trying to jump on the convert bandwagon. The only people that will come will be angry idiots, and gullible peace loving hippies who believe in crystals having powers and read horoscopes and so are the target audience of the RADIANT church because those are the donors they are looking for.

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I woud say start a war against Christianity.

It's about time for another crusade, the last one seemed to clean up the trash pretty good.
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Jihad isn't god, and Buddah isn't a god either, please http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ visit that site and just click around, it's simple and helpful in these matters

I get to see the billboards for this coexist thing all over the place, heres my two cents on it, as if you give a flying duck.

First thing one notices is that the Coexist is half stolen, in a very clever way the Pentagram and the yin yang and the Peace sign have been exxed out and all we are left with are three religions that all worship the god of abraham, because Abraham was weak and instead of standing up to god to protect his child which I think would of made for a much more noble man, he instead like a good little lamb did what he was told. I won't go into the bible being so full of holes it might as well be cheese and boy is there tons of cheese in it, not to mention violence and unless you're not paying attention a very petty and jealous god. So now that you understand that I'm a very angry Atheist you can stop reading because you disagree with me on this fundamental thing, you believe in something without proof and I don't, thanks come again.

The Radiant church is just a scam, It's designed to convert people to xianity, that's all it wants to do, it wants to coexist by eliminating the others. Who's next? Buddhists? Taoists? Sikhs? It doesn't matter, xians are worried because Islam is the fastest growing religion right now, you see it's true even bad publicity is good publicity. If you think when you get there you will get a chance to discuss issues on a level footing think again, you will be talked at and they will throw propaganda in the form of multimedia at you and you will sit there until you're sick to your stomach and then you will finally leave, having been convinced only of the fact that xians are desperate and are trying to jump on the convert bandwagon. The only people that will come will be angry idiots, and gullible peace loving hippies who believe in crystals having powers and read horoscopes and so are the target audience of the RADIANT church because those are the donors they are looking for.

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First of all, you are an Athiest...so that's where I start reading.

I'm kind of shocked that you think a Christian church will try to make the case for Christ. That's shocking! I thought a church would try to push you away from the religion it preaches!

Sir, there is a difference between putting on a flashy display or 'multimedia' attack, and making the case for Christ. Will the church use the bible and other religious text to point out differences in religion and try to show how Christianity is the most logical? YES. We're trying to put on an intelligent, researched presentation, similar to one you would see for any other cause. Why would you expect this to be different?

You are also correct, this will not be a discussion. It is a presentation. But, we always welcome people up at the end, and you can have a discussion with the pastor yourself! Cool, huh??!?!?!?!??!?!?!

So...I'll see you there?
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First of all, you are an Athiest...so that's where I start reading.

I'm kind of shocked that you think a Christian church will try to make the case for Christ. That's shocking! I thought a church would try to push you away from the religion it preaches!

Sir, there is a difference between putting on a flashy display or 'multimedia' attack, and making the case for Christ. Will the church use the bible and other religious text to point out differences in religion and try to show how Christianity is the most logical? YES. We're trying to put on an intelligent, researched presentation, similar to one you would see for any other cause. Why would you expect this to be different?

You are also correct, this will not be a discussion. It is a presentation. But, we always welcome people up at the end, and you can have a discussion with the pastor yourself! Cool, huh??!?!?!?!??!?!?!

So...I'll see you there?
Good job.
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