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Old September 18th, 2008, 09:09 PM   #21
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So Pete (me playing devil's advocate)

Inform us about "Troopergate". If we did as much wrong as this Trooper did we'd be in jail, not working the same job.



OK, my take on this from what I have read.

Conflict between Palin family and Wooten

Accusations made and investigated.

Punishment levied according to department policy.

Accusation that governors office, or her proxy pressured Agency head to fire Wooten. No termination action taken.

Agency head replaced

Accusation of of executive pressure made and committee formed to look into the matter.

Committee authorizes investigation and issues subpoenas.

Now, depending on who you want to believe, there are accusations that the McCain campaign is using methods to delay the investigation till at least after the election.

I may be wrong on some of this, but I have reading quite a bit lately. Not cutting and pasting, just my personal observation.
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Old September 18th, 2008, 09:11 PM   #22
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i saw the interveiw u describe because i watch both fox and msnbc and find it funny how they cover topics i am a conservitive becaus i live in a state destroyed by a democrate grhanholm lieng cunt and im sorry but i dont trust ny times or any of the far left or right news agencies i found fox has the best biparticanship but she has all this on her record whats obamas record short and sad
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Old September 18th, 2008, 09:22 PM   #23
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Did you know that the committee that authorized this whole investigation is made up of a majority of ? I think it is 8 - 4.

I am not saying that she is not effective and I am not saying that someone in an executive position can not make personnel changes. The legislators, however, are saying that there is enough there to warrant an investigation. And from what I have read from various sources is that the vote was unanimous. I don't understand how any of the rest of us can really second guess that part of it.

Let it play out. And stop trying to delay the investigation. And stick with the promise to cooperate completely to show transparency. Heck even her husband seems to be refusing the honor the subpoena.

Didn't she say something in Cedar Rapids about bringing transparency to Washington?

And you are right you will not hear these kinds of stories about the other candidates for the reasons you gave. No excuse not to have the answers in this case though.
I thought we were discussing the article you posted. I read nothing about "troopergate" there.
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Old September 18th, 2008, 09:27 PM   #24
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Old September 18th, 2008, 09:41 PM   #25
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I thought we were discussing the article you posted. I read nothing about "troopergate" there.
Sorry, I brought it up as point regarding the 2 sides of each story.

Troopergate just is easy to see what is already been in the public record. If you listen to each side it doesn't seem they are speaking of the same event.
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Old September 19th, 2008, 07:07 AM   #26
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Sorry, I brought it up as point regarding the 2 sides of each story.

Troopergate just is easy to see what is already been in the public record. If you listen to each side it doesn't seem they are speaking of the same event.
And therein lies the problem with every topic. If you look hard enough you can find documentation to suppport your cause or dispute your cause regardless of what is the truth.

I back up to the basics;
She is pro gun
She is pro life
She is pro access
She is pro off shore drilling
She has more "executive" experience than the other 3 candidates combined, regardless of how little it is.
She has made decisions, hired and fired & the results are a high approval rating....... again, none of the others have that experience.

Works for me.
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Old September 19th, 2008, 09:19 AM   #27
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The "Source"?

Questions are all over the place. The investigation into "troopergate" was authorized by the republican led legislature.

Does the "source" of a story sway you more than the facts? Just asking.

Personally, I prefer facts. And thorough investigation of accusations. What ever way it goes.

Have you heard that Senator Chuck Hagel came out and said that it is a stretch to think Palin is ready or qualified to be President (don't forget the heart beat of the oldest man to be in office if McCain wins). And that she does not have any foreign policy credentials?

For those that do not know, Hagel is the republican senator from Nebraska.

Even Karl Rove says Plain (and Biden) was a "not a governing decision but a campaign decision".
Let me clarify.

When an article is lightly based on more on opinion than fact, it is up for a different perspective and interpretation.

IMO, any article that draws notions off of facts without the complete story being told is not a good source. Any article that consists of a lot of mudslinging isn't either.
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Old September 19th, 2008, 11:24 AM   #28
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And therein lies the problem with every topic. If you look hard enough you can find documentation to suppport your cause or dispute your cause regardless of what is the truth.

I back up to the basics;
She is pro gun
She is pro life
She is pro access
She is pro off shore drilling
She has more "executive" experience than the other 3 candidates combined, regardless of how little it is.
She has made decisions, hired and fired & the results are a high approval rating....... again, none of the others have that experience.

Works for me.

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Old September 19th, 2008, 11:26 AM   #29
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I don't see this "Troopergate" (stupid name) going anywhere. To me it's political posturing and here's why.....

The man she "fired" was in an appointed position. A position appointed by the Governor. She has the right to remove anyone in an appointed position and replace them for any reason or no reason at all. It's not a crime.

The same thing was tried on Pres. Bush when he "fired" 6 appointed judges. Nothing happened, because it isn't a crime to do this, it's their job.

For the record Pres. Clinton "fired" 32 appointed judges on his watch. No one blinked an eye.

Using Hagel as a Republican source is a joke. Hagel is a RINO. Besides who cares what he or Rove says anyway?

Palin is a real threat to the Democrats and they are looking for anything they can use to make her look bad, so far.....EPIC FAIL.
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Old September 19th, 2008, 01:59 PM   #30
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Palin... EPIC FAIL.
I don't understand why everyone's pissy... we all got our own opinions.

I think she's an idiot.

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Maybe she's right...........
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Old September 19th, 2008, 03:51 PM   #32
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Troopergate? Am I to believe Palin is a Sith Lord?
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Old September 19th, 2008, 04:54 PM   #33
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And therein lies the problem with every topic. If you look hard enough you can find documentation to suppport your cause or dispute your cause regardless of what is the truth.

I back up to the basics;
George W. Bush is pro gun
George W. Bush is pro life
George W. Bush is pro access
George W. Bush is pro off shore drilling
George W. Bush has more "executive" experience than the other 3 candidates combined, regardless of how little it is.
George W. Bush has made decisions, hired and fired & the results are a high approval rating....... again, none of the others have that experience.

Works for me.
The same could be said for another candidate in 1999.

just sayin.
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Old September 20th, 2008, 07:21 AM   #34
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I don't understand why everyone's pissy... we all got our own opinions.

I think she's an idiot.

Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." –Sarah Pailn, on the Iraq war

um, k.
I'm not pissy, we're just talking here. You're entitled to your opinion but please don't re-arrange my words and mis-quote me. If you want to call Palin a failure say it in your own post.
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