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Old December 29th, 2008, 11:40 AM   #141
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if you would have told me 10 years ago that Ford would lay off 40% of it's workforce and be on the verge of bankrupcy, I would have laughed in your face.
I know that I'm jumping in late, but is this statement serious? Beginning in middle school (early 80s) we were told that the Big 3 wouldn't last the century without major crisis. Two of them did, but BARELY. Now they are all dying and they have nothing to blame but mis-management and the UAW.

Ford is FINALLY building world class vehicles and GM isn't all that far behind. Chrysler - lets not even go there.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 12:02 PM   #142
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I know that I'm jumping in late, but is this statement serious? Beginning in middle school (early 80s) we were told that the Big 3 wouldn't last the century without major crisis. Two of them did, but BARELY. Now they are all dying and they have nothing to blame but mis-management and the UAW.

Ford is FINALLY building world class vehicles and GM isn't all that far behind. Chrysler - lets not even go there.
what is gm building that is world class?you got the vette and the hummer, then you're dissing chrysler: viper-on the world stage in the racing world, same as the vette, the hummer is refined jeep, Jeep is also on the world stage, but as a template for other vehicles to go by.

Also, the comments about poor, middle class and rich; they all have one thing in common that makes or breaks them into these groups, no it's not degrees from college, it's personal drive. I work at Home Depot, I make $10/hr not 8.25. My wife is laid off(machinist with most work in the auto industry), we own our house, have our trucks paid off, how some ask. Because we put foot to ass, and backs to the grind stone; taking on any and all jobs to make life a little easier for our kids and ourselves when we got older. Everyone has the same choices to make, the same roads to take, most choose wrong is all. I'm 38 and my wife is 37 andif we can do it, so can anyone else. If the government wants to hand out money to get the econmy going, I'll be there to take it as well, it's just what one does with it that counts.
There are alot of "programs" out there that need restructuring. Not just the auto industry and the unions. The welfare program was great when it was 1st introduced, now it's out of hand; in Maryland if you have a family of 5, then the state pays for a vehicle for you, that's why you see shacks with escalades parked out front. Why pay for more children, they can't afford the ones they currently have, answer now is more money, it should be a deduction.
Child support, I pay and I agree with it, but it too has gotten out of hand, why should the obligee get more once you move on with your life with a new family; you get a raise therefore your ex gets a raise too? Fourteen years later, you win the lottery, now your ex is intitled to half? The government has made it too easy for it's people to get lazy. Restructure these so-called programs, so they are helpful to get people back on the road so to speak, and stop becoming a crutch for the lazy to get lazier.
SSI, I've seen people on this that have no reason why they can't work, some pretend well enough to get "their" doctors to sign off on them. I've seen these same "handicapped" people leading to life we all could be proud of. All with out remorse, if they don't pay rent, too bad for the landlords, state says you can't take'em to court.
All I'm saying is time to look in the mirror "EVERYONE", take a moment to reflect on that image, have you taken the right path, given it your all, or are you willing to fall through the cracks with the governments problems?
I'm done ranting now
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Old December 30th, 2008, 12:23 PM   #143
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what is gm building that is world class?you got the vette and the hummer, then you're dissing chrysler: viper-on the world stage in the racing world, same as the vette, the hummer is refined jeep, Jeep is also on the world stage, but as a template for other vehicles to go by.

Also, the comments about poor, middle class and rich; they all have one thing in common that makes or breaks them into these groups, no it's not degrees from college, it's personal drive. I work at Home Depot, I make $10/hr not 8.25. My wife is laid off(machinist with most work in the auto industry), we own our house, have our trucks paid off, how some ask. Because we put foot to ass, and backs to the grind stone; taking on any and all jobs to make life a little easier for our kids and ourselves when we got older. Everyone has the same choices to make, the same roads to take, most choose wrong is all. I'm 38 and my wife is 37 andif we can do it, so can anyone else. If the government wants to hand out money to get the econmy going, I'll be there to take it as well, it's just what one does with it that counts.
There are alot of "programs" out there that need restructuring. Not just the auto industry and the unions. The welfare program was great when it was 1st introduced, now it's out of hand; in Maryland if you have a family of 5, then the state pays for a vehicle for you, that's why you see shacks with escalades parked out front. Why pay for more children, they can't afford the ones they currently have, answer now is more money, it should be a deduction.
Child support, I pay and I agree with it, but it too has gotten out of hand, why should the obligee get more once you move on with your life with a new family; you get a raise therefore your ex gets a raise too? Fourteen years later, you win the lottery, now your ex is intitled to half? The government has made it too easy for it's people to get lazy. Restructure these so-called programs, so they are helpful to get people back on the road so to speak, and stop becoming a crutch for the lazy to get lazier.
SSI, I've seen people on this that have no reason why they can't work, some pretend well enough to get "their" doctors to sign off on them. I've seen these same "handicapped" people leading to life we all could be proud of. All with out remorse, if they don't pay rent, too bad for the landlords, state says you can't take'em to court.
All I'm saying is time to look in the mirror "EVERYONE", take a moment to reflect on that image, have you taken the right path, given it your all, or are you willing to fall through the cracks with the governments problems?
I'm done ranting now
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Old December 30th, 2008, 12:32 PM   #144
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Old December 30th, 2008, 09:56 PM   #145
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Old December 31st, 2008, 04:44 PM   #146
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You pay for it with a tax base that is low, flat and wide.
Okay, sounds good, but:

1. What do you base it on? Flat percentage of income, or flat fee?

2. If it's flat percentage, what do you do about those people that incorporate everything but their dog and show no income, but live like kings?

3. If it's flat rate, how is that fair, since it would be high for poor people and low for rich people?

My suggestion is to go with flat percentage, then change the rules of incorporation back to what they were in the 1700's where they were only allowed as temporary entities (more complex than that, but essentially that).
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 06:39 PM   #147
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Okay, sounds good, but:

1. What do you base it on? Flat percentage of income, or flat fee?

2. If it's flat percentage, what do you do about those people that incorporate everything but their dog and show no income, but live like kings?

3. If it's flat rate, how is that fair, since it would be high for poor people and low for rich people?

My suggestion is to go with flat percentage, then change the rules of incorporation back to what they were in the 1700's where they were only allowed as temporary entities (more complex than that, but essentially that).

Go with a USE TAX. A tax on purchases only, but ALL purchases. That means that taxes are not based on income at all, but a really fair system where you get taxed on what you buy no matter who you are, or how much you make.
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 08:00 PM   #148
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what is gm building that is world class?you got the vette and the hummer, then you're dissing chrysler: viper-on the world stage in the racing world, same as the vette, the hummer is refined jeep, Jeep is also on the world stage, but as a template for other vehicles to go by.
The Vette is what I build my case for GM upon. The Vette is the best car America has built in 40 years - full stop, end of story. Vipers are cute and fun but get in one for a Boston to San Diego trip and tell me how far your smile makes it. The Vette is as comfortable cruising cross-country as it is playing with Vipers at the Vette-Viper Challenge every year in Detroit. Buick actually has a couple of really nice vehicles out right now too (thought they were being closed down a couple of years ago?).

The Hummer won't make it to 2015 by my cyphering because it's oversized and the pimp factor has worn off.

Chrysler is like the Titanic and even though Jeep is bailing like mad, it will sink very soon. Jeep will be sold off or will live through a "merger' where everything else Chrysler will go away. Chrysler will be dealing with the lease returned trucks that they practically gave away two years ago - remember the full sized 4x4 delix package lease for $154/mo back in 2006? My former boss just returned his and bought a YJ.
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 08:11 PM   #149
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Okay, sounds good, but:

1. What do you base it on? Flat percentage of income, or flat fee?

2. If it's flat percentage, what do you do about those people that incorporate everything but their dog and show no income, but live like kings?

3. If it's flat rate, how is that fair, since it would be high for poor people and low for rich people?

My suggestion is to go with flat percentage, then change the rules of incorporation back to what they were in the 1700's where they were only allowed as temporary entities (more complex than that, but essentially that).

Hey, couldn't I own a slave in the 1700s.

Maybe your on to something ???????
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Old January 5th, 2009, 07:01 AM   #150
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Go with a USE TAX. A tax on purchases only, but ALL purchases. That means that taxes are not based on income at all, but a really fair system where you get taxed on what you buy no matter who you are, or how much you make.
Sounds pretty good, but what about businesses? Would they remain sales tax exempt as they pass goods from one business to another?

If so, and I were incorporated as a business, I could obtain many things under that tax exemption as people do today and use my little heart out without paying taxes.

Thereagain, as an incorporated entity, couldn't I then own a jet, a limo, live in a building that is in and of itself an LLC (as my last employer did), so thereagain get out of the tax?

It seems to me that the only people that would get stuck payingthat one would be those that can't afford to get around it...?
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Old January 5th, 2009, 11:13 AM   #151
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Sounds pretty good, but what about businesses? Would they remain sales tax exempt as they pass goods from one business to another?

If so, and I were incorporated as a business, I could obtain many things under that tax exemption as people do today and use my little heart out without paying taxes.

Thereagain, as an incorporated entity, couldn't I then own a jet, a limo, live in a building that is in and of itself an LLC (as my last employer did), so thereagain get out of the tax?

It seems to me that the only people that would get stuck payingthat one would be those that can't afford to get around it...?
Those who would abuse a use-tax system are already abusing the system so at first glance this is a mute issue. Reducing the abuse would be possible by using some of the freed up resources to pursue those abusers instead of pursuing the Average Joe who forgets to claim the interest his $500 investment made last summer.
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Old January 5th, 2009, 02:35 PM   #152
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Old January 5th, 2009, 03:43 PM   #153
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Sounds pretty good, but what about businesses? Would they remain sales tax exempt as they pass goods from one business to another? Not true

If so, and I were incorporated as a business, I could obtain many things under that tax exemption as people do today and use my little heart out without paying taxes. If you do this your a tard, as soon as you buy something for yourself through a corporation you pierce your corporate protection and become personally liable for everything in that corporation...

Thereagain, as an incorporated entity, couldn't I then own a jet, a limo, live in a building that is in and of itself an LLC (as my last employer did), so thereagain get out of the tax? Sure if your a bafoon

It seems to me that the only people that would get stuck payingthat one would be those that can't afford to get around it...?
Tell them all to incorporate amd then pierce their corporate veil, that seems like a sensable waste of time...
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Old January 6th, 2009, 10:13 PM   #154
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