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Old November 16th, 2005, 04:17 PM   #1
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Next on my list is an anti-wrap bar. My question is I had always planned on using spring bushings for my shackle on the anti-wrap bar. I am afraid that my axle will flex too much that it will bind the shackle and maybe end up breaking the shackle bolts. I tried to show in the picture how the axle binding would bind the chackle bolts.

So my option is- put a leaf spring busing on joint 2 and a tractor joint (heim style) on joint 1. That way side flex on the axle can be translated through the heim joint and not bind up.

opinions? The heim wouldn't be expensive, I'm just thinking a 3 mount tractor style joint.

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Old November 16th, 2005, 04:35 PM   #2
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I run leaf spring bushings in my 4 link on my cruiser. It will see way more torque then your trac bar would. The bushings hold up pretty well for me.

Just be sure to put the axle more to the center and it will not have to travel or twist as much. remember K.I.S.S
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Old November 16th, 2005, 05:45 PM   #3
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Bones, Killer B fab'd a bad ass one for me... With all the rear flex, I was snapping rear yoke straps, and u-joints EVERY SINGLE TIME I flexed the rear out..

Ever since Bill made that for me, it eliminated almost all axle wrap, and I never broke anything again..

YOU WANT IT CENTERED ON THE AXLE!

I can take pictures of the setup, and I actually have the bushings, the skid plate with mount, and the bar itself all sitting in my barn.. Since I'm going 4-link, this bar serves no purpose to me
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Old November 16th, 2005, 08:17 PM   #4
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brimy- you use bushings on both ends?

CC-pic please, by noon friday lol. I assume you have bushings on both ends too?

the center of my rig is starting to get really "busy" but we'll see.
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Old November 16th, 2005, 09:30 PM   #5
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I run one with bushings with no problems...

I realize now that by the time I setup that stupid traction bar... I may as well just 4-link it and never worry about axle wrap again :D
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brimy- you use bushings on both ends?

CC-pic please, by noon friday lol. I assume you have bushings on both ends too?

the center of my rig is starting to get really "busy" but we'll see.

I'll snap some pics when I get home from work today...
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pick up a replacement spherical joint from TSC, use that on the skidplate side of the shackle

cheap, and will twist with the antiwrap bar/shackle
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pick up a replacement spherical joint from TSC, use that on the skidplate side of the shackle

cheap, and will twist with the antiwrap bar/shackle
I am a firm believe that these belong on tractor implements and that is it.
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Old November 17th, 2005, 05:52 PM   #10
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I am a firm believe that these belong on tractor implements and that is it.
I agree on anything other than an anti wrap bar for a 1/2 elliptic leaf setup

I'd never use them for say a 4 link, though I know people who have with well over 500HP and have been fine
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Old December 7th, 2005, 09:56 PM   #11
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i used tsc rod ends on a traction bar it was the noisiest (sp) piece of shit around by the time i took it off the rig the joints had enough slop in them to see light through one side.

use bushings yj bushing fit perfect in a piece of 1.5 inch dom
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I built my 4- link with spring bushings..... Ton of flex, no noise, no joint to wear out. I'm with monkey, by the time you fab up a traction bar right your 1/2 way to a 4-lnk.


On the the other side, I've seen a traction bar fabbed up as you thought with the shackle/buching/ joint and it's held up for AGES and flexes great still w/ alomost no axle wrap.

Personally i'd link it.
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Yup, x2 for links..

Its not too tough, and done right, you'll have other benefits as well.

I'll be linking the rear on the toyota in the spring. 4 link triangulated uppers and lowers, bushings at all ends. Hopefully is stiff enough to not wander too much..
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I'll snap some pics when I get home from work today...

Can you post some pics of this to the board for future use. 'm collecting parts for my SOA and I'm looking at options.
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