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Old September 5th, 2008, 10:27 PM   #81
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If there is ONE..1.single conservative...scratch that..1 PERSON that has ever heard of PALIN BEFORE 2 WEEKS AGO...please speak up...
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Old September 5th, 2008, 10:31 PM   #82
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If there is ONE..1.single conservative...scratch that..1 PERSON that has ever heard of PALIN BEFORE 2 WEEKS AGO...please speak up...
I knew of her, in that this good-looking woman beat the incumbent Governor in AK. That's about it.
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Old September 6th, 2008, 01:52 AM   #83
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If there is ONE..1.single conservative...scratch that..1 PERSON that has ever heard of PALIN BEFORE 2 WEEKS AGO...please speak up...
I heard that some gov. had a baby while in office. I'm not sure if I had heard that her name was Palin or that she was from Alaska.
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i have... only because i spent a few weeks in alaska... does that count?
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I'm a conservative, non-bible-thumper who resents the fact that bible-thumpers are such a vocal minority in my party.

However, let's look at facts:

1) No President can take away a woman's "right to choose". Roe v. Wade was "legislated" by the Supreme Court, and it would take a different Supreme Court (which one President will never appoint) to revoke it or a Constitutional Amendment (again, not the President's doing) to change it. Don't fall prey to the Obamatoid radio commercials. McCain may not like it, but there's nothing they can do about it except talk - ditto Dubya, Bush, and Reagan before. I HATE liberal lawmaking via the courts, but it is the law (one that I, incidentally, support).

McCain has publicly stated that he would like to see Roe v Wade overturned in the courts.
You are right, he can not legislate that change, but he can appoint justices as openings become available. This has been one of the ways presidents influence law.
McCain will nominate justices that are conservative and that he believes will lean pro-life. Plain and simple. And when the Supreme Court has enough like minded people sitting on the bench, the case will be re-visited. This is how it works. No guarantees for McCain, but considering his stated goal, this is how he would get it done.

Stevens is 88, Ginsburg is 75, Scalia and Kennedy are 72, Breyer is 70.

Ginsburg and Breyer are both Clinton appointees and Stevens was appointed by Ford. The rest were appointed by Reagan and the Bushes. I am sure you can see the pattern of ideologies considered in these appointments. The next 8 years will provide many opportunities to change the face of the court. And what of the 4-8 years after that if the Hockey Mom moves up? It is a very important time for both parties.


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2) I've never heard any candidate even vaguely mention legislating religion or forcing anybody's kid to pray. Hell, even Pat Buchanan and the preacher Huckabee didn't try it. Ann Coulter is an entertainer, not a politician.
Coulter an entertainer? You have got to be kidding me. She is an instigator who thrives on chaos.

Again, back to SCOTUS. Mandatory school prayer is not legal because of Supreme court action. See above comments to see how this stand could be changed.

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3) Be clear about the "ban" on stem cell research. The "ban" limited federal funding of embryonic stem cell research to 72 lines of embryonic stem cells already identified. It did not limit federal funding for stem cell research on adult stem cells (which has been where ALL of the actual successes have come from) or "ban" privately-funded embryonic stem cell research. Understand the embryonic stem cell research is largely considered "junk science" and had not provided much in the way of success, unlike adult stem cell research.
Agreed. This is what you find when you look into the subject. Although the "junk science" is not an opinion held by all. Some still believe that there may be future possibilities. Don't forget, most experts thought the world was FLAT at one time.



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One of the troubles that happen when politicians and media get their scientific info from high-school dropouts (Micheal J. Fox) and other actors (Christopher Reeve) instead of less camera-friendly scientists.
You are right here as well. And the ban that is in place is the politicians determining how scientists will conduct their research. The "moral" aspect of this line of research has been at the fore front of these decisions for a long time.

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If there is ONE..1.single conservative...scratch that..1 PERSON that has ever heard of PALIN BEFORE 2 WEEKS AGO...please speak up...

I can't even tell you who the governor of Ohio is, let alone a state on the other side of the nation. Nor do I really care. It has not been a priority for me to know, until there is a reason.
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THIS is why we need to support stem cell research. If we do not, others will do it improperly and cause more harm than good. Here is a prime example, the Korean scientist who FAKED a bunch of stem cell lines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwang_Woo-Suk
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If there is ONE..1.single conservative...scratch that..1 PERSON that has ever heard of PALIN BEFORE 2 WEEKS AGO...please speak up...
I have heard of her before two weeks ago. She was in Andrew Wilkow's top 3 picks for VP along side Michael Steele and another person who's name escapes me right now. The Wilkow Majority is informed.

If you rely on CNN or MSNBC, the Huffington Post, etc. for your information you'll be as informed as a kid attending public school in detroit.
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THIS is why we need to support stem cell research. If we do not, others will do it improperly and cause more harm than good. Here is a prime example, the Korean scientist who FAKED a bunch of stem cell lines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwang_Woo-Suk
So we need to do something that is ethically questionable before someone else does?
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If you rely on CNN or MSNBC, the Huffington Post, etc. for your information you'll be as informed as a kid attending public school in detroit.
Well duh...I get all my info from Fox news cause they are "fair and balanced"

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McCain has publicly stated that he would like to see Roe v Wade overturned in the courts.
But he said he didn't want to see it overturned before he said he did.
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THIS is why we need to support stem cell research. If we do not, others will do it improperly and cause more harm than good. Here is a prime example, the Korean scientist who FAKED a bunch of stem cell lines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwang_Woo-Suk
Again, read up on the topic.

Embryonic stem cell research (whether the limited - not banned no matter how many times Ron Reagan or Michael J. Fox say it is - government-funded type in the U.S., unlimited privately-funded in the U.S., or done elsewhere has not turned out to be the goldmine of progress Hollywood and the media would have you believe it is.

Adult stem cell research (no limits on government funding) has shown virtually all of the progress.

So, why do the media and DNC-spokespeople Hollywood keep on whining about limits on embryonic stem cell research? To stir up partisan crap, I suspect - because there is no, repeat NO, scientific basis to it.

Personally, I question federal funding of all stem cell research. Which ever biotech company comes up with a solution stands to make billions, if not trillions of dollars. Will said biotech firm first reimburse the U.S. taxpayer for the research they funded before raking it in. Doubtful. No federal funding for Viagra, which has earned Pfizer a trainload of money.
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McCain has publicly stated that he would like to see Roe v Wade overturned in the courts.
You are right, he can not legislate that change, but he can appoint justices as openings become available. This has been one of the ways presidents influence law.
McCain will nominate justices that are conservative and that he believes will lean pro-life. Plain and simple. And when the Supreme Court has enough like minded people sitting on the bench, the case will be re-visited. This is how it works. No guarantees for McCain, but considering his stated goal, this is how he would get it done.

Stevens is 88, Ginsburg is 75, Scalia and Kennedy are 72, Breyer is 70.

Ginsburg and Breyer are both Clinton appointees and Stevens was appointed by Ford. The rest were appointed by Reagan and the Bushes. I am sure you can see the pattern of ideologies considered in these appointments. The next 8 years will provide many opportunities to change the face of the court. And what of the 4-8 years after that if the Hockey Mom moves up? It is a very important time for both parties.
So, liberal SCOTUS justices who VASTLY overstep their bounds to enact laws via adjudication are OK, but conservative ones who would force these controversial topics to follow the correct process (i.e. through the legislative process) are bad?

I'm a solidly pro-choice guy, always have been. However, I DO NOT agree with the "back door" way it was put into place. Likewise, school bussing, EEO, etc... Make our elected officials decide - no matter how uncomfortable it is for them. Make them take a stand - it's their job.

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Coulter an entertainer? You have got to be kidding me. She is an instigator who thrives on chaos.
I find her immensely entertaining. I wouldn't vote her into any office, but she calls 'em like she sees 'em. Proof that someone can escape the U of M without being brainwashed into a liberal zombie. Just like Rush Limbaugh - an entertainer. They're not journalists, and don't claim to be (unlike the rabid media arm of the DNC, namely MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, NPR, etc...

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Again, back to SCOTUS. Mandatory school prayer is not legal because of Supreme court action. See above comments to see how this stand could be changed.
And who would change it? At no time was school prayer required in public schools. Hell, I went to Catholic school and it wasn't required there. Recommended, encouraged, and conducted, but with no penalty for non-participation.

However, note that the whole concept of "separation of church and state" has been taken to a nutball level not written in the U.S. Constitution. Christian kids can't have a voluntary prayer meeting at a public school, but the U of M, and now MSU are installing foot baths for Muslim students?

btw kiddies - note that Pete and I can debate things without getting all personal and calling each other names. While Pete is a brainwashed liberal and I am a right-wing conservative nutjob, we respect each other and can have a beer together - even when he tries to duck out on the bill like a true Dutchman.
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btw kiddies - note that Pete and I can debate things without getting all personal and calling each other names. While Pete is a brainwashed liberal and I am a right-wing conservative nutjob, we respect each other and can have a beer together - even when he tries to duck out on the bill like a true Dutchman.
That's why I like talking politics with ya Duff, maybe it's a maturity thing....I mean you voted for Lincoln and Pete voted for Stephen A. Douglas...

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btw kiddies - note that Pete and I can debate things without getting all personal and calling each other names. While Pete is a brainwashed liberal and I am a right-wing conservative nutjob, we respect each other and can have a beer together - even when he tries to duck out on the bill like a true Dutchman.
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i can say that i have heard of palin before two weeks ago. i met her and shook her hand when she visited illisagvik college (approx. 30 students) at NARL (ex navy installment in barrow AK) a few years ago. she was a down to earth person running for governor, visiting places where real people live trying to gain votes.
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btw kiddies - note that Pete and I can debate things without getting all personal and calling each other names. While Pete is a brainwashed liberal and I am a right-wing conservative nutjob, we respect each other and can have a beer together - even when he tries to duck out on the bill like a true Dutchman.

Yea, yea, yea, go ahead and bring that up again ya nutjob. (I was pre-occupied by my mother in laws latest trip to the hospital, and did, in the end pay the bill.....that's my story and I'm sticking to it)





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That's why I like talking politics with ya Duff, maybe it's a maturity thing....I mean you voted for Lincoln and Pete voted for Stephen A. Douglas...


Campaigned long and hard, ya know?

Shoulda been there for the Adam's boys.
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Yea, yea, yea, go ahead and bring that up again ya nutjob. (I was pre-occupied by my mother in laws latest trip to the hospital, and did, in the end pay the bill.....that's my story and I'm sticking to it)
I fully understand the reason, and you certainly were distracted. However, it was still damn funny.

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That's why I like talking politics with ya Duff, maybe it's a maturity thing....I mean you voted for Lincoln and Pete voted for Stephen A. Douglas...
Yeah, Lincoln was kinda mamby-pamby and played to the center too much. And look what it got him: 1) shot and 2) all those new voters he created turned into - talk about squandering an opportunity...
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