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Old September 4th, 2008, 01:06 PM   #41
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I certainly don't want a VP who follows public opinion. That would be a nightmare!!! Caring what the people think??? That's maddness!!!

We should find a candidate who sticks with what he/she wants to do regardless of public opinion with no flip flopping! *cough* *bushiraqwar* *cough*
Yeah, I agree. I was mostly just surprised that PeteC didn't bring it up.

I was also disapointed that she said what she said, which was not really true, rather than say "yep, it sounded like a good idea at first, but after review we decided that the money could be better used elsewhere". I think her comments during the speach will come back to bite her.
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Yeah, I agree. I was mostly just surprised that PeteC didn't bring it up.

I was also disapointed that she said what she said, which was not really true, rather than say "yep, it sounded like a good idea at first, but after review we decided that the money could be better used elsewhere". I think her comments during the speach will come back to bite her.


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Palin is a normal person. Not a life long politician like we normally get. Politician, yes. Life long politician, no. I like her. I find her candid speak very refreshing and I can see why she enjoys the popularity that she does in Alaska......she's a normal American just like we are. It also cements my belief that John McCain makes good decisions.
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Palin is a normal person. Not a life long politician like we normally get. Politician, yes. Life long politician, no. I like her. I find her candid speak very refreshing and I can see why she enjoys the popularity that she does in Alaska......she's a normal American just like we are............................................... .:

No argument on this point at all.

But then, it can be argued that Obama is in the same if not at least similar situation. 2 years in Washington is not a lifelong career. 22 years like McCain has is.
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No argument on this point at all.

But then, it can be argued that Obama is in the same if not at least similar situation. 2 years in Washington is not a lifelong career. 22 years like McCain has is.
The difference, if the rhetoric can be believed, is that Obama is fulfilling a lifelong ambition to be a career politician while Palin is someone that joined the PTA because she wanted to help improve her kids schools, and that lead her to the path that through the offices of city council, mayor, governor, and now VP.
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In doing my research on Sarah Palin, I was curious what are the actual duties of the vice president.
The formal powers and role of the vice president are limited by the Constitution to becoming President should the President become unable to serve (e.g. due to the death, resignation, or medical impairment of the President) and acting as the presiding officer of the U.S. Senate. As President of the Senate, the Vice President has two primary duties: to cast a vote in the event of a Senate deadlock and to preside over and certify the official vote count of the U.S. Electoral College.
Additonal duties are by direction of the President.
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she's still a far right crazy republican, doesn't believe in condoms, but rather abstinence, pro-life (even in cases of rape, etc) No sex out of wedlock

Which i guess is fine if thats the way you feel, just don't pressure others into thinking like you do. Especially when the timelines don't add up for yourself.
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she's still a far right crazy republican, doesn't believe in condoms, but rather abstinence, pro-life (even in cases of rape, etc) No sex out of wedlock

Which i guess is fine if thats the way you feel, just don't pressure others into thinking like you do. Especially when the timelines don't add up for yourself.

Don't forget the reports that she wanted books removed from the library when she became mayor.
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She had such a winey voice, I couldn't handle more than 5 minutes of her speech.




Plus I was tired.
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She had such a winey voice, I couldn't handle more than 5 minutes of her speech.




Plus I was tired.
I didn't think so at all. I found her voice to be about 95867340956873049568730495763049586730496703947603 94763098754246 times more pleasant to listen to than Hillary's.
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The difference, if the rhetoric can be believed, is that Obama is fulfilling a lifelong ambition to be a career politician while Palin is someone that joined the PTA because she wanted to help improve her kids schools, and that lead her to the path that through the offices of city council, mayor, governor, and now VP.
No doubt she wanted to help her kids, that is why most parents (especially mothers) get involved in the local schools. As far as a path to becoming VP, I think the whole thing probably caught her by surprise. If anyone is not ready, it is someone who was not seeking or preparing for the job.


Have you looked up his resume?

This is what I found with a quick search

http://obamasresume.org/ With references.


I can not vouch for the accuracy, but have not found anything to dispute it yet.

A lot of non-profit and rights cases as a lawyer.
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Don't forget the reports that she wanted books removed from the library when she became mayor.
So far I can't find anything that indicates that this went any further than a discussion or 2 with the librarian and maybe city council, and that it wasn't her idea, but something that was requested by some area residents. She never pursued it beyond asking the question.
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I’m surprised you didn’t bring up the “bridge to nowhere”, and how she supported it at first and then opposed it when it became unpopular. Also, her comments about it in her speech last night do not seem to be entirely true from what I’ve read about it.

Now that I have had a little time to do some more reading, how about the "Road to Nowhere" that she still supports?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_123991.html


While you are at the Huffington post, why not check the price tags on the outfits worn by Laura Bush and Cindy McCain the other night. Especially Cindy's $$$$$ ensemble. Now who are the elitists?
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So far I can't find anything that indicates that this went any further than a discussion or 2 with the librarian and maybe city council, and that it wasn't her idea, but something that was requested by some area residents. She never pursued it beyond asking the question.

Even the idea of asking the question is disturbing.
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Is there a video anywhere replaying the speech last night???
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I didn't think so at all. I found her voice to be about 86734095687304956873049576304958673049670394760394 763098754246 times more pleasant to listen to than Hillary's.
Good point!
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obama/ayers. that's what's wrong with uncle ben.
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No doubt she wanted to help her kids, that is why most parents (especially mothers) get involved in the local schools. As far as a path to becoming VP, I think the whole thing probably caught her by surprise. If anyone is not ready, it is someone who was not seeking or preparing for the job.


Have you looked up his resume?

This is what I found with a quick search

http://obamasresume.org/ With references.


I can not vouch for the accuracy, but have not found anything to dispute it yet.

A lot of non-profit and rights cases as a lawyer.
Yep, I see his resume. pretty impressive...

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Columbia University
B.A. Political Science with specialization in international relations
Thesis topic: Soviet nuclear disarmament

Harvard Law School
J.D. magna cum laude 1988-1991
Yep, exactly the type of degrees I'd expect of someone with aspirations of being President.

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Organizing and other work experience

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1983-1984 Writer/Researcher for Business International Corporation. Helped companies understand overseas markets in the “Financing Foreign Operations” service and wrote for the “Business International Money Report”

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1984-1985 Community Organizer for New York Public Interest Research Group (PIRG), promoting personal, community, and government reform at City College in Harlem.

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1985-1988 Director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland on Chicago's South Side. While director grew the DCP staff from 1 to 13 and their budget from $70,000 to $400,000.

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1992 Led Chicago's Project Vote! push. This effort resulted in a record number of voter registrations, over 600,000 in Chicago. 1)

Teaching

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1993-2004 Visiting Law and Government Fellow, then Senior Lecturer, in Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School. Taught courses on the due process and equal protection areas of constitutional law, on voting rights, and on racism and law. Helped develop a casebook on voting rights.

Law Practice

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1993-2002 Worked as an associate attorney with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Represented non-profits and private individuals in urban development projects, voting rights cases, and wrongful firings. Filed major suit that forced the state of Illinois to enforce the Motor Voter Law and successfully argued a wrongful firing case before the U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.
International business affairs, voting right, voter registration programs, constitutional law, community organization. Yep, exactly the type of early work experience I'd expect from someone with aspirations of being President.

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Illinois Senate 1996-2004
United States Senate 2004-present
State government... check
Federal government... check.

Yep, it's all there, everything you'd expect to see on the resume of someone wanting to be president, which was exactly my point.

Lets look at Sarah Pulin's resume...

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Graduated University of Idaho, 1987, journalism.
hummm... well, she probably had to take a poli sci class, maybe even 2 to get that degree.

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Worked as sports reporter for two Anchorage television stations
owned with her husband a snowmobile, watercraft, ATV business from 1994-97.
hummmm... well, at least she should be comfortable in front of TV cameras, and have experience selling things... But since the business only lasted 3 years maybe she wasn't any good at it.

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Alaska governor since December 2006;
unsuccessful run for Republican nomination for lieutenant governor in 2002; chairwoman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, 2003-2004;
served two terms as Wasilla mayor
and two terms on city council.
OK not a bad path to VP candidate, but a quick one. Not exactly the stuff of a "career politician". Which was my point.

Now the irony that I'm claiming Obama's excellent resume as a vice, and Palin's limited resume as a virtue should escape no one, least myself. But it's my belief that sometimes the best leaders are the reluctant leaders. While it's obvious that Palin is not exactly reluctant to take the job I also don't get the feeling that she's been grooming herself for the job for 20 years. I think Obama has.

If we got into the wayback machine and visited Obama in 1988 as he was entering Harvard Law School and told him that in 20 years he'd be running for president, I bet he would of feigned modesty and say no way, but secretly he would be thinking "yes, I knew I could get there". If we used the wayback machine to visit Sarah Pulin in 1988, as she was getting married, getting pregnant, and working as a TV sports caster and told her in 20 years she'll be running for VP I bet she'd of about died laughing.
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she's still a far right crazy republican, doesn't believe in condoms, but rather abstinence, pro-life (even in cases of rape, etc) No sex out of wedlock

Which i guess is fine if thats the way you feel, just don't pressure others into thinking like you do. Especially when the timelines don't add up for yourself.
this has always been a big problem for me and the gop.
claim to be pro America then try like hell to limit your rights to the ones they think are good for you.
claim to be for small gov. but then increase the size of gov.
claim to be for a balanced budget then drive is into debt, to the Chinese no less, a communist state no less.
they put windmills in there adds but vote against anything that might get them built.
claim to be pro family, but try to do away with any thing that might help family's, like the head start program.

if they stood for any of the things they claim to id support them, but they dont
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