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Old September 4th, 2008, 05:12 AM   #21
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I have decided that I will vote as I have for years. Republican. I felt more American last night listening to her talk, than I have since 9-11. It almost had a feel like she herself were running for President. Very immpressed last night..
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Old September 4th, 2008, 06:35 AM   #22
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Couple things freaked me out...

She "Made things fair" and "forced competition" with the fuel/energy situation in Alaska...sounds like gov. intervening in business...sounds like Obama...I'm sure I just need to read into it more.

Another thing is her husband is in a union and she mentioned something about him working for/with some oil company...Once again, I probably just need to read into it before I rush to judgments.

Anyway, she scares me a shitton less then Obama, and I like her better than McCain.

She locked in my vote. No competition. (Maybe we should force some competition then... *giggles*)
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Old September 4th, 2008, 07:34 AM   #23
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Her husband works on oil rigs on Alaska's North Slope, so yes he is a member of a union. Nearly every oil field worker is no matter what part of the country they work in.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 07:35 AM   #24
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Couple things freaked me out...

Another thing is her husband is in a union and she mentioned something about him working for/with some oil company...Once again, I probably just need to read into it before I rush to judgments.

In Alaska, most of the business is either fishing, hunting, or Oil. Oil being the big money business it is, makes sense to work for them.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 07:36 AM   #25
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Her husband works on oil rigs on Alaska's North Slope, so yes he is a member of a union. Nearly every oil field worker is no matter what part of the country they work in.
Yeah, I understand that you have to play the game sometimes, I just don't much like unions, and I hope she doesn't have too much sympathy for them (seeing as how her husband is a member of one).
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Old September 4th, 2008, 07:45 AM   #26
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I love hearing the liberials bitching about the ethics of her 17 year old daughter....

but no mention of the fact that Obama's white mother got knocked up by a black guy out of wedlock, but I guess that was acceptable back the 'those days'

hahhahhahahahhaa
fap material.
no doubt she has the male vote
she would definitely make the administration easy on the eyes

oh how I would love to see her defend her daughter with that fact about obama
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Old September 4th, 2008, 08:25 AM   #27
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Obama already said that the fact that her daughter is 17 and prego, is not an issue. Even stating that his mother had him at 18.


Its the news that likes to make it an issue.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 08:37 AM   #28
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Wowzorz!

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/...day/index.html
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Old September 4th, 2008, 08:42 AM   #29
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We have to be fair, GL4x4 style.



Crossing a waterway? Is that on private land? It'd better be. Riding two-up on a single-seat quad - with a kid and no helmets!?!?

And why a Honda? American-brand Polaris not good enough?

OK, better.

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Old September 4th, 2008, 08:45 AM   #30
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Crossing a waterway? Is that on private land? It'd better be. Riding two-up on a single-seat quad - with a kid and no helmets!?!?

And why a Honda? American-brand Polaris not good enough?

OK, better.
It's Alaska. They don't have stupid ORV laws that prohibit waterway crossing.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 09:01 AM   #31
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I am just amazed at how quickly Sarah Palin has become the GOP answer to the Obama threat.

Here are some of my thoughts.

And no, I did not watch her speech last night.

The other 3 candidates (P and VP) have been vetted in the public eye for a long time. There is not much we do not know about them. We have all had plenty of time to explore who these people are and decide for ourselves which ones we choose to support.
Governor Palin was an unknown to most of the country less than a week ago. The GOP falling all over themselves to support her has been, well, interesting.

As far as her family goes, yes, they are, to a degree, fair game. Fair game as to how they help mold her life. Is her daughter being pregnant a bad thing? No, it is not. My wife was pregnant at 17 before we married. But Palin preaches abstinence. Her daughter being pregnant out of wedlock is an affront to her beliefs as she herself has stated them. She needs to answer for her beliefs and how she deals with them in this case. As governor, Palin used a line item veto to slash support for pregnant teens and supported abstinence as the primary sex ed direction. "Explicit" sex ed was not supported by her. Her daughters pregnancy does come into play to that extent, but in no other way. I wish Bristol nothing but the best.

Her husband involvment in the AIP is something of great concern. The AIP has, as one of its tenets, a new vote on Alaska's standing in the nation, including but not limited to, Alaska's secession from the union. Even though the party site says Tod Palin only attended one function, he still was a registered member. It is stated by others from Alaska that many people supported AIP without being members. Having a husband as a member should at the very least cause us to question where Gov. Palin is coming from. And if she was involved, or agreed with the AIP's goals, how can she be considered to be the #2 person in the U.S. government? These are questions that need to be investigated.

Troopergate. Have you looked into this? Palin's sister was married to a state trooper. They went through a divorce before Palin became governor. There were many accusations from Palin, her sister and her father against the trooper. The trooper was investigated and exonerated of any legal wrong doing, although he was found to have violated some department policies for which he was properly penalized. After Palin became governor she, and those around her put pressure on the director of public safety to fire the trooper. This is the story that is being investigated. A governor who came to office fighting corruption is being investigated for abuse of power. Is she guilty? Is she innocent? We do not know yet. In fact, there are now rumors starting to build that the investigation is being blocked. Comments have been made that Palin may not be availabe for questioning due to her involvement in the campaign.

We also need to have a level head when considering her experience. City council, small town mayor and 22 months as governor do not automatically qualify a person for the Whitehouse, even as VP. I am not saying she is any less qualified than anyone else, just that her record should not be an automatic confirmation.

I worry about how much of her religious beliefs she seems to have brought into her life of public service. Just to clarify, a persons religious beliefs are not the issue, it is the inclusion of those beliefs in the running of government that I am leery about. There needs to be the ability to seperate the 2, at least to some degree. A public servant must carry out the law of the land before the law of thier church.

Anyway, these are my observations, opinions and ramblings.

Don't drink the Kool-Aid until you know it's flavor.

And this crap about the media going over board on their reporting on Sarah Palin. What did the GOP and McCain think would happen when they bring an unknown to the ticket? Of course there will be a media frenzy. The media, and the people want to know who this person is. This is cram time. We are 2 months away from the election and this person is an unknown wild card.

Anyway, I look forward to watching all of this play out over the next 2 months. I will with hold my personal opinion about Sarah Palin until we know a bit more about her.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 09:07 AM   #32
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I love hearing the liberials bitching about the ethics of her 17 year old daughter....

but no mention of the fact that Obama's white mother got knocked up by a black guy out of wedlock, but I guess that was acceptable back the 'those days'

hahhahhahahahhaa
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Old September 4th, 2008, 12:17 PM   #33
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anyone who criticizes her daughter is a fawking backstabber. this issue happens every day. it makes her more realistic. a real person. a real family dealing with real american problems.
Well Obama cant say anything, his momma and daddy wern't married whn he was conceived
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Yeah, I understand that you have to play the game sometimes, I just don't much like unions, and I hope she doesn't have too much sympathy for them (seeing as how her husband is a member of one).
Husband is a member of the Steel Workers union. Belonging is kinda mandatory, you have dues taken out wether you are a member or not, might just as well be a member

I espeshally enjoyed her comment about the "difference between a Hockey Mom and a Pit Bull"

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Old September 4th, 2008, 12:22 PM   #35
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Husband is a member of the Steel Workers union. Belonging is kinda mandatory, you have dues taken out wether you are a member or not, might just as well be a member
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Yeah, I understand that you have to play the game sometimes, I just don't much like unions, and I hope she doesn't have too much sympathy for them (seeing as how her husband is a member of one).
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Old September 4th, 2008, 12:39 PM   #36
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I am just amazed at how quickly Sarah Palin has become the GOP answer to the Obama threat.

Here are some of my thoughts.

And no, I did not watch her speech last night.

The other 3 candidates (P and VP) have been vetted in the public eye for a long time. There is not much we do not know about them. We have all had plenty of time to explore who these people are and decide for ourselves which ones we choose to support.
Governor Palin was an unknown to most of the country less than a week ago. The GOP falling all over themselves to support her has been, well, interesting.
Interesting, but not surprising. The Republicans needed someone to bring excitement and diversity to the ticket. It’s no coincident that the young black candidate picked an old white dude as a running mate, and the old white dude picked a younger woman.

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As far as her family goes, yes, they are, to a degree, fair game. Fair game as to how they help mold her life. Is her daughter being pregnant a bad thing? No, it is not. My wife was pregnant at 17 before we married. But Palin preaches abstinence. Her daughter being pregnant out of wedlock is an affront to her beliefs as she herself has stated them. She needs to answer for her beliefs and how she deals with them in this case. As governor, Palin used a line item veto to slash support for pregnant teens and supported abstinence as the primary sex ed direction. "Explicit" sex ed was not supported by her. Her daughters pregnancy does come into play to that extent, but in no other way. I wish Bristol nothing but the best.
Specifics of her daughter and her pregnancy should be “off limits”. But I agree that what it says about “abstinence only” sex education is significant. It does shine a spotlight on a failure of this type of sex education that needs to be addressed.

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Her husband involvment in the AIP is something of great concern. The AIP has, as one of its tenets, a new vote on Alaska's standing in the nation, including but not limited to, Alaska's secession from the union. Even though the party site says Tod Palin only attended one function, he still was a registered member. It is stated by others from Alaska that many people supported AIP without being members. Having a husband as a member should at the very least cause us to question where Gov. Palin is coming from. And if she was involved, or agreed with the AIP's goals, how can she be considered to be the #2 person in the U.S. government? These are questions that need to be investigated.
His “involvement” seems to have been limited to him declaring it as his party affiliation twice and attending a convention once. Not exactly a party activist. As a lifelong Alaska resident I can understand his interest in a party that promotes “Alaska First”. Also there’s no evidence that Sarah ever shared her husbands interest in the AIP. And lets not forget that Obama’s spouse only gained pride in America when it started supporting her husbands ambition to be president.

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Troopergate. Have you looked into this? Palin's sister was married to a state trooper. They went through a divorce before Palin became governor. There were many accusations from Palin, her sister and her father against the trooper. The trooper was investigated and exonerated of any legal wrong doing, although he was found to have violated some department policies for which he was properly penalized. After Palin became governor she, and those around her put pressure on the director of public safety to fire the trooper. This is the story that is being investigated. A governor who came to office fighting corruption is being investigated for abuse of power. Is she guilty? Is she innocent? We do not know yet. In fact, there are now rumors starting to build that the investigation is being blocked. Comments have been made that Palin may not be availabe for questioning due to her involvement in the campaign.
Yes, I have, have you? The man was accused of threatening to murder his ex-wife and her parents. This would be reason enough to be concerned but add to that that the accused is a state trooper, and I understand her concern. Given that it’s her sister and parents involved I think she has the personal right to insist that a thorough investigation be conducted, and to raise a flag if she does not think that there was. As governor of the state I think she has a professional obligation to do the same. She never told anyone to fire him, only question whether he should be fired.

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We also need to have a level head when considering her experience. City council, small town mayor and 22 months as governor do not automatically qualify a person for the Whitehouse, even as VP. I am not saying she is any less qualified than anyone else, just that her record should not be an automatic confirmation.
No, and I don’t think anyone is considering it to be an “automatic confirmation” of anything, only that it’s not much different than state senator and 20 months as a US senator.
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I worry about how much of her religious beliefs she seems to have brought into her life of public service. Just to clarify, a persons religious beliefs are not the issue, it is the inclusion of those beliefs in the running of government that I am leery about. There needs to be the ability to seperate the 2, at least to some degree. A public servant must carry out the law of the land before the law of thier church.
I’m not worried about her doing that any more than any other candidate.
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And this crap about the media going over board on their reporting on Sarah Palin. What did the GOP and McCain think would happen when they bring an unknown to the ticket? Of course there will be a media frenzy. The media, and the people want to know who this person is. This is cram time. We are 2 months away from the election and this person is an unknown wild card.

Anyway, I look forward to watching all of this play out over the next 2 months. I will with hold my personal opinion about Sarah Palin until we know a bit more about her.
I’m sure they knew there would be a media frenzy, their just trying to quiet it a quickly as possible. I hope they can so we can get to the issues.

I’m surprised you didn’t bring up the “bridge to nowhere”, and how she supported it at first and then opposed it when it became unpopular. Also, her comments about it in her speech last night do not seem to be entirely true from what I’ve read about it.
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Husband is a member of the Steel Workers union. Belonging is kinda mandatory, you have dues taken out wether you are a member or not, might just as well be a member
Yep, but I was surprised to hear her mention it. She could have left it out.
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I’m surprised you didn’t bring up the “bridge to nowhere”, and how she supported it at first and then opposed it when it became unpopular.
I certainly don't want a VP who follows public opinion. That would be a nightmare!!! Caring what the people think??? That's maddness!!!

We should find a candidate who sticks with what he/she wants to do regardless of public opinion with no flip flopping! *cough* *bushiraqwar* *cough*





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Yep, but I was surprised to hear her mention it. She could have left it out.
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Same goes with the oil.

She should have stuck with his "snow machine racing".
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His “involvement” seems to have been limited to him declaring it as his party affiliation twice and attending a convention once. Not exactly a party activist. As a lifelong Alaska resident I can understand his interest in a party that promotes “Alaska First”. Also there’s no evidence that Sarah ever shared her husbands interest in the AIP. And lets not forget that Obama’s spouse only gained pride in America when it started supporting her husbands ambition to be president.
The context in which Michelle Obama made the comment should be looked at more closely. Also the spin put on those comments. Yes, she stated that she had pride in America, a pride she had not felt before. But to stretch that and say she had no pride whatsoever before that, well, that I do not take out of her comments.



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Yes, I have, have you? The man was accused of threatening to murder his ex-wife and her parents. This would be reason enough to be concerned but add to that that the accused is a state trooper, and I understand her concern. Given that it’s her sister and parents involved I think she has the personal right to insist that a thorough investigation be conducted, and to raise a flag if she does not think that there was. As governor of the state I think she has a professional obligation to do the same. She never told anyone to fire him, only question whether he should be fired.
As I said, to trooper was not found to have done anything illegal after an investigation. The reported pressure was put firth after that investigation and after she became governor. The present investigation can go either way. I have no idea who is telling the truth, but the fact that the truth has not been determined yet should give pause.

I agree if someone family is threatened a person should do whatever they can to protect thier family. What has come out is a question of wether there was any credible threat in the first place, or just a smear campaign by Palin's family to sway a custody fight. After doing some reading on the subject, I am jsut not sure.


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No, and I don’t think anyone is considering it to be an “automatic confirmation” of anything, only that it’s not much different than state senator and 20 months as a US senator.
You are correct. The hypocricy is the GOP railing against Obama's lack of practical experience, while saying Palin's is sufficient. I know, Pres and VP is apples and oranges, but McCain's age does bring her move to the Pres spot just a bit closer than normal.

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I’m sure they knew there would be a media frenzy, their just trying to quiet it a quickly as possible. I hope they can so we can get to the issues.
They are putting the blame for the whirlwind on the shoulders of the media. She even referenced that in her speech when she made comment about not going to Washington to get in the good graces of the media. So, the GOP pulls a surprise announcement and the media is not suppsed to ask questions?

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I’m surprised you didn’t bring up the “bridge to nowhere”, and how she supported it at first and then opposed it when it became unpopular. Also, her comments about it in her speech last night do not seem to be entirely true from what I’ve read about it.

My post was in response to wether her family should be off limits or not. Her activities in office (The bridge, the $20m deficit for Wasilla, etc., etc.) are for another discussion. I was trying to stay on topic.
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