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Old September 5th, 2008, 02:42 PM   #81
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On what stage and at what level. I heard that Palin has never left the confines of North America. How does that help with dealing with foreign officials?
There is video of her shooting AKs in Kuwait....
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Old September 5th, 2008, 02:46 PM   #82
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I heard that Palin has never left the confines of North America.
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What’s in her passport?

As governor, Palin traveled to Kuwait to visit Alaska National Guard troops and stopped in Germany to visit wounded soldiers. She had to get a new passport before the trip.

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There is video of her shooting AKs in Kuwait....

If that is the case I would stand corrected.

What I heard on the radio this morning was that when asked she said no, but she had been to Epcot Center in Disney World. I hope to get some clarification on her foreign travel then. Link to Kuwait AK firing story would be appreciated. I have seen her firing weapons with what I assumed was the National Guard.

Sometimes I don't pay 100% attention to the radio until something piques my interest. Or I am busy driving around slow idiots on Woodward.
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Old September 5th, 2008, 03:23 PM   #85
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Old September 5th, 2008, 03:28 PM   #86
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I am not sure Obama is any better. I am here to try and shed light on spin, using facts when I can find them and asking questions when needed.

Besides, should we be comparing Obama and Palin?

Obama does not have enough experience, yet Palin does? On what stage and at what level. I heard that Palin has never left the confines of North America. How does that help with dealing with foreign officials?

McCain is more of a political Washington insider than Obama. Obama has been in Washington for such a short time that a lot of people consider himself an outsider still, hence the lack of experience.

It all depends on what way you want to look at things and how much spin you want to swallow.

Personally, my opinion, Obama would give us a better shot at something new. He has a good idea of what it takes to survive and thrive in Washington, but has not been there long enough to be entrenched in the good ole boys way of political life. Will he succeed? I have no idea. But I don't see McCain being able to step away from something he has been centrally involved in for decades. I see very little chance for anything new with a Republican in office for the next 4 years.
Yes indeed, should we really be comparing Obama and Palin? After all, they are not applying for the same job. It would seem to me that it would be more important that the President have the skills needed to do the job from day 1 than the VP. Presumably the VP will have some time to learn the ropes before having to take over. Of course the opposing viewpoint would be that if the pres. Dies (because McCain goes face down in his soup, or an assassin’s bullet finding Obama) who would you rather have jump into the open chair, an old experienced Biden, or a young inexperienced Palin?

I agree that Obama would give us a better shot at something new. My question is who will give us a better shot at something GOOD. New does not always equal better.

Also, I wouldn’t count out McCain and Palin’s desire and ability to go against the republican establishment. They both have before.
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You know Bruce, I thought we disagreed on most things............ you're changing my mind.
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Also, I wouldn’t count out McCain and Palin’s desire and ability to go against the republican establishment. They both have before.

I believe that is the most important statement so far
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Old September 5th, 2008, 04:19 PM   #89
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You know Bruce, I thought we disagreed on most things............ you're changing my mind.
Hell, I disagree with myself some times.

I just like arguing.
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Besides, she has only been there 22 months. In that time she has done some things that really stand out in the minds of Alaskans. I don't think anyone has really questioned her ability to carry out the duties of the office of Governor.
The one thing I do like to remind myself of is this:
A presidential term is only 48 months, her "inexperience" of only 22 months is nearly half of what she would spend in the White House. Given that I want someone with a track record of getting shit done in a short period of time. Being productive is what this country needs, not a "learning curve" of "what do I do next to right the ship".
She is a doer not a talker....I just prefer people w/ a record of getting it done, and based on here approval rating the people of Alaska concur.
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Personally, my opinion, Obama would give us a better shot at something new. He has a good idea of what it takes to survive and thrive in Washington, but has not been there long enough to be entrenched in the good ole boys way of political life. Will he succeed? I have no idea. But I don't see McCain being able to step away from something he has been centrally involved in for decades. I see very little chance for anything new with a Republican in office for the next 4 years.
I have a hard time believing Obama is just an everyday guy. Who are his connections, that he can walk into Chicago's political system. Then into the highest Democrat position available in a few years. Anytime this is questioned it comes back as unfair or "I didn't know"
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I am not sure Obama is any better. I am here to try and shed light on spin, using facts when I can find them and asking questions when needed.

Besides, should we be comparing Obama and Palin?

Obama does not have enough experience, yet Palin does? On what stage and at what level. I heard that Palin has never left the confines of North America. How does that help with dealing with foreign officials?

McCain is more of a political Washington insider than Obama. Obama has been in Washington for such a short time that a lot of people consider himself an outsider still, hence the lack of experience.

It all depends on what way you want to look at things and how much spin you want to swallow.

Personally, my opinion, Obama would give us a better shot at something new. He has a good idea of what it takes to survive and thrive in Washington, but has not been there long enough to be entrenched in the good ole boys way of political life. Will he succeed? I have no idea. But I don't see McCain being able to step away from something he has been centrally involved in for decades. I see very little chance for anything new with a Republican in office for the next 4 years.
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There is video of her shooting AKs in Kuwait....

So, according to what I have found so far, she got her first passport in 2006. She traveled to Iraq, Kuwait, Germany (I may be missing a stop) to visit Alaskan National Guard troops. Very commendable, and what a governor should do.

But, there are no reports of her meeting with anyone in any foreign government. Where is the Foreign Policy experience from that?

I have spent more time on foreign soil getting to know the locals and seeing how their live are. Bruce has spent more time on foreign soil than most anyone I personally know. It can be argued that either of us may have more experience.
It also seems that she has spent little if any time involved in trade and other issues with her counter part in Russia, as earlier governors have done. Ditto for Canada. Instead, she has focused her time in office on Alaskan domestic issues. Again, very commendable.

I think I have posted this before, it looks like she has done a good job in office with only a few controversies to be considered. But she does not have the kind of foreign policy experience, or even knowledge that might be needed in the position she is nominated for. Word is she is getting a cram course from the campaign though. Hope she is a fast learner.
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But, there are no reports of her meeting with anyone in any foreign government. Where is the Foreign Policy experience from that?
I admitedly know little of Obama's diplomatic history(only his views and voting history). How much "foreign experience" does a short-term Senator from IL have?
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I admitedly know little of Obama's diplomatic history(only his views and voting history). How much "foreign experience" does a short-term Senator from IL have?
And we can see his past record/position on issues.
Right now NObama will say anything he has to to get elected.

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Way to know your candidate. Someone wake McCain up.

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"How many saw her (Palin's) speech a couple of nights ago? Wasn't it fabulous?" McCain said Friday during a campaign stop in Cedarburg, Wisconsin. "You know what I enjoyed the most? She took the luxury jet that was purchased by her predecessor and sold it on eBay — and made a profit."

But it turns out the twin-engine Westwind II was a tough sell on the Web — and the state eventually pulled it offline and sold it through an ordinary brick-and-mortar brokerage, for a loss, a spokeswoman said Friday.
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Way to know your candidate. Someone wake McCain up.

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What the fukc does a jet and Ebay even remotely have to do with the presidency?
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What the fukc does a jet and Ebay even remotely have to do with the presidency?
Ebay and the jet nothing. Keeping the most basic facts straight on your own candiate everything, especially when your already getting hit by the media for not doing a good background check.
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Ebay and the jet nothing. Keeping the most basic facts straight on your own candiate everything, especially when your already getting hit by the media for not doing a good background check.
That may be true, but he is human and I don't expect people to go and verify everything that is said to them by others.
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So, according to what I have found so far, she got her first passport in 2006. She traveled to Iraq, Kuwait, Germany (I may be missing a stop) to visit Alaskan National Guard troops. Very commendable, and what a governor should do.

But, there are no reports of her meeting with anyone in any foreign government. Where is the Foreign Policy experience from that?

I have spent more time on foreign soil getting to know the locals and seeing how their live are. Bruce has spent more time on foreign soil than most anyone I personally know. It can be argued that either of us may have more experience.
It also seems that she has spent little if any time involved in trade and other issues with her counter part in Russia, as earlier governors have done. Ditto for Canada. Instead, she has focused her time in office on Alaskan domestic issues. Again, very commendable.

I think I have posted this before, it looks like she has done a good job in office with only a few controversies to be considered. But she does not have the kind of foreign policy experience, or even knowledge that might be needed in the position she is nominated for. Word is she is getting a cram course from the campaign though. Hope she is a fast learner.
Agreed.

I don't think that anyone is trying to claim that a trip to Kuwait to visit some of her home state troops has given her any Foreign Policy experience. Were just disputing the claim that she "has never left the confines of North America". Just keeping you honest Pete.

I'm sure she is getting a "cram course" in all manner of issue that she probably never dealt with while Gov. of Alaska, both nation and international, just as I hope that Obama had the same type of instruction on being and executive rather than a legislator, and all manner of other things that he never dealt with while being a senator.
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