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Old August 26th, 2008, 12:40 PM   #1
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The Year of Living Biblically is about my quest to live the ultimate biblical life. To follow every single rule in the Bible as literally as possible. I obey the famous ones:

* The Ten Commandments
* Love thy neighbor
* Be fruitful and multiply

But also, the hundreds of oft-ignored ones.

* Do not wear clothes of mixed fibers.
* Do not shave your beard
* Stone adulterers

Why? Well, I grew up in a very secular home (Im officially Jewish but Im Jewish in the same way the Olive Garden is an Italian restaurant). Id always assumed religion would just wither away and wed live in a neo-Enlightenment world. I was, of course, spectacularly wrong. So was I missing something essential to being a human? Or was half the world deluded?

I decided to dive in headfirst. To try to experience the Bible myself and find out whats good in it, and whats maybe not so relevant to the 21st century.

The resulting year was fascinating, entertaining and informative. It was equal parts irreverent and reverent. It was filled with surprising insights almost every day. (I know its not biblical to boast, so apologies for that).

The book that came out of the year has several layers.

-An exploration of some of the Bibles startlingly relevant rules. I tried not to covet, gossip, or lie for a year. Im a journalist in New York. This was not easy.

--An investigation of the rules that baffle the 21st century brain. How to justify the laws about stoning homosexuals? Or smashing idols? Or sacrificing oxen? And how do you follow those in modern-day Manhattan?

--A look at various fascinating religious groups. I embedded myself among several groups that take the Bible literally in their own way, from creationists to snake handlers, Hasidim to the Amish.

--A critique of fundamentalism. I became the ultra-fundamentalist. I found that fundamentalists may claim to take the Bible literally, but they actually just pick and choose certain rules to follow. By taking fundamentalism extreme, I found that literalism is not the best way to interpret the Bible.

--A spiritual journey. As an agnostic, Id never seriously explored such things as sacredness and revelation.

--A memoir of my familys eccentric religious history, including my ex-uncle Gil, who has been, among other things, a Hindu cult leader, an evangelical Christian and an Orthodox Jew.



The Year of Living Biblically has received praise from Publishers Weekly, Kirkus Reviews, The New York Times Book Review, the Los Angeles Times, USA Today and others. It has been optioned for a movie by Paramount Pictures and Plan B productions.
I saw this in the local bookstore, has anyone here read it?
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Bhumz, man.

He must have missed the part where it said to no longer follow the outdated old testament rules (such as the fabrics and stoning homosexuals) and the part where it said that Jesus was a sacrafice for all of us, so we need not sacrafice animals anymore...

That would have made his life a TON easier.

Looks like an interesting read though...I may have to pick it up after I finish my current readings.
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This guy also doesn't appear to know his Jewish history. The Jews (old testament) stopped sacrificing animals because the temple was torn down by the Romans in 70AD. Without the temple, sacred utensils and ashes of the red heffer, sacrificing animals cannot continue.

Obviously the temple cannot be built right now, because the dome of the rock (muslim holy place) sits on its original site. Although there has been some very recent evidence that shows the temple may have actually been in a slightly different area...

Also, they have been waiting for an all red heffer. There was one born in Isreal a few years ago, but after thurough inspection, it was found to have a white spot on it and was not considered worthy of being used. The Jews used to mix in the ashes of the red heffer with the ashes of the sacrificed animal when making burnt offerings. This is an important peice that is essential to the process.

The bible does say in Revelations though that when the temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem, and sacrificing continues, that the end is near!
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Bhumz, man.

He must have missed the part where it said to no longer follow the outdated old testament rules (such as the fabrics and stoning homosexuals) and the part where it said that Jesus was a sacrafice for all of us, so we need not sacrafice animals anymore...

That would have made his life a TON easier.

Looks like an interesting read though...I may have to pick it up after I finish my current readings.
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Matthew 5:17-20
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. {18} For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. {19} Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. {20} For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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Matthew 5:17-20
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. {18} For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. {19} Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. {20} For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Once again, you are taking a few verses completely out of context. Can't do that and still hold true to the meaning! Here is a great explanation (IN CONTEXT) of the verses you spliced out.

17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law and the prophets. The preceding verses were so opposed to the teachings of the scribes and Pharisees that some might assert that he was a destroyer of the law. He replies that he has not come to destroy it, but to fulfil. He does not say that he has come to perpetuate it. To fulfil. To complete its purpose. He was the end of the law. It was a "schoolmaster to bring us to Christ" (Gal. 3:24), but "after faith is come we are no longer under the schoolmaster."

18. One jot or tittle. Jot means the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet, while tittle refers to a simple turn by which one letter is distinguished from another. The expression, "jot or tittle," was proverbial for the smallest part. Till all be fulfilled. "Till," says Dr. Schaff, "implies that after the great events of Christ's life, and the establishment of his kingdom, the old dispensation, as a dispensation of the letter and yoke of bondage, as a system of types and shadows, will pass away, and has passed away (Eph. 2:15; Col. 2:14; Heb. 8:13); while the spirit and substance of the law, i. e., love to God and man, will last forever."

19. Shall break one of the least of these. The Pharisees taught that some commands were more important than others, and that it was a trivial matter to break the smallest commands. The papists still divide sin into mortal and venial. Christ shows that the spirit of obedience does not seek to make such distinction. Shall be least. He may get into the kingdom, possibly, but such a spirit will give him a very low spiritual rank.

20. Your righteousness shall exceed. The righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees has just been referred to (see Matt. 3:7). They claimed to be the teachers and examples of righteousness, but they lacked the humble spirit of true obedience.

Taken from: http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Commenta...apter=5#Mt5_17

As you can see, the verses you picked out actually very much prove the opposite of what you meant them to prove. He does not perpetuate the old system, but fullfills it thereby replacing it (unless you chose not to follow then perfection by the old system is required which is impossible).

As Paul says in Romans 3:19-31 The "law" (the ten commandments and old testament laws) was there that we become conscious of sin and realize the hopelessness of the situation because the law requires perfection (and no man is perfect!). But only through faith is man justified apart from the law!

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Once again, you are taking a few verses completely out of context. Can't do that and still hold true to the meaning! Here is a great explanation (IN CONTEXT) of the verses you spliced out.

17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law and the prophets. The preceding verses were so opposed to the teachings of the scribes and Pharisees that some might assert that he was a destroyer of the law. He replies that he has not come to destroy it, but to fulfil. He does not say that he has come to perpetuate it. To fulfil. To complete its purpose. He was the end of the law. It was a "schoolmaster to bring us to Christ" (Gal. 3:24), but "after faith is come we are no longer under the schoolmaster."

18. One jot or tittle. Jot means the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet, while tittle refers to a simple turn by which one letter is distinguished from another. The expression, "jot or tittle," was proverbial for the smallest part. Till all be fulfilled. "Till," says Dr. Schaff, "implies that after the great events of Christ's life, and the establishment of his kingdom, the old dispensation, as a dispensation of the letter and yoke of bondage, as a system of types and shadows, will pass away, and has passed away (Eph. 2:15; Col. 2:14; Heb. 8:13); while the spirit and substance of the law, i. e., love to God and man, will last forever."

19. Shall break one of the least of these. The Pharisees taught that some commands were more important than others, and that it was a trivial matter to break the smallest commands. The papists still divide sin into mortal and venial. Christ shows that the spirit of obedience does not seek to make such distinction. Shall be least. He may get into the kingdom, possibly, but such a spirit will give him a very low spiritual rank.

20. Your righteousness shall exceed. The righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees has just been referred to (see Matt. 3:7). They claimed to be the teachers and examples of righteousness, but they lacked the humble spirit of true obedience.

Taken from: http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Commenta...apter=5#Mt5_17

As you can see, the verses you picked out actually very much prove the opposite of what you meant them to prove. He does not perpetuate the old system, but fullfills it thereby replacing it (unless you chose not to follow then perfection by the old system is required which is impossible).

As Paul says in Romans 3:19-31 The "law" (the ten commandments and old testament laws) was there that we become conscious of sin and realize the hopelessness of the situation because the law requires perfection (and no man is perfect!). But only through faith is man justified apart from the law!
I need to stop reading the bible, it seems like everything I read, I take out of context...it's weird.
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I need to stop reading the bible, it seems like everything I read, I take out of context...it's weird.
All it takes is a little bit of effort to study it! This section that you quoted makes complete sense when quote as a whole chapter, not just a little section of versus. Because you see that Jesus is talking about taking the place of the Law as the ultimate sacrifice. Those verses have a theme, but are a peice of the larger theme of the chapter in Matthew.

What your doing is like me taking a couple words out of a shakespear play and making up a new story different from what the author intended (because you didn't hear the words in context of the scene, act and play as a whole)
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I saw this a while ago here: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/a...iblically.html


This was a collection of thought after seeing it:

"I'm concerned about fundamentalism, as many as 45% of people take the Bible literally" It's funny to me how he makes such a thing to sound dangerous. Give me a break. The danger is NOT taking it literally and twisting it to fit one's own selfish desires.

"If you take the Bible literally, you end up acting like a crazy person" This is coming from his ignorance of the law and its application. He ought to have taken what Jesus said about the law, and how Paul followed up with its application.

I respect the fact that the guy "gave it a try" but it was worthless because he bypassed his heart and never applied faith. If one only applies the law, they WILL see benefit to life, but the only message they will hear is the fact that they are not perfect. The law only exists to point people to Jesus to then accept his sacrifice and love and grace. This is THE BIGGEST POINT of the Bible, yet his missed it ENTIRELY.

His last admonition, if he actually believed, would not be to inform people to pick and choose, it would be to tell people to receive forgivenss of their sins via faith in Jesus Christ.
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I need to stop reading the bible, it seems like everything I read, I take out of context...it's weird.
I would encourage you to do the opposite Mike.

I recall discussing a verse with you in the past about Jesus withering a fig tree. There is a certain art to understanding the scriptures, and the most heavily weighted factor is knowing the WHOLE thing, because everything is a part of everything else. It has the same mega theme from start to finish, which is Redemption. So if you read it with the understanding of this progression: God made everything and it was the definition of awesome and perfection. Man brought mess. Since then God has been mopping up said mess with prophets, then Jesus, and how the Holy Spirit. God has always been on a mission to be with his people, to redeem us, and that process is going on today, and will continue to. Next move is for Jesus to come out of the sky and kick arse, no more mister nice guy.

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How nice. Ask it to start with the Catholics.
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How nice. Ask it to start with the Catholics.
I think he is gonna go with the liberals, but thats not a sure thing
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I think he is gonna go with the liberals, but thats not a sure thing


...but Dave!

How will he be able to pick out the liberals so easily?!?!?!

(This should be good... *anxiously waits* )
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...but Dave!

How will he be able to pick out the liberals so easily?!?!?!

(This should be good... *anxiously waits* )
Easy, they will be part of the obamacide (google it)
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