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Old August 20th, 2008, 11:42 PM   #21
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I don't care if you believe in God or not... I also am not afraid of death, afterlife or not.

I guess that makes me a nihilist Christian.
i wish there were more of you... and if you didn't base any major decisions on your religion, you'd be perfectly normal.
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I believe in Faith

And my Faith is in myself and the possibilities of the world around me

I do not believe in Religion

Religion benefits the mortal leaders of said religion


IF God really does exist, he is supposed to be all forgiving. Given that he should accept those that do not believe during their imperfect mortal lives. He is also all understanding, so he should understand a mortals questions.

The fear of the unknown is a tool used by religious leaders to keep the flock in line.

I have nothing against people who have faith in something. I do have a problem with people that push what they believe is the truth (which has not real evidence within reality, only the words in a book).

Enjoy your beliefs.

Leave mine alone.

Oh, and I grew up in a church going household. My revelation involved seeing religion for what it really is. After that I refuse to be a sheep in the flock. mmmmm, I realised why the congregation is refered to as a flock.
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Your so full of shit you have to have brown eye's............................................. .................................................. .......
Sounds like your primed for a shotgun in the mouth, or a swan dive off a building.
No reason not to.
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.................................................. ......A pile of pills might be painless to end your meaningless, worthless, insignificant, nothing to look forward to life.

It really fills my heart with joy when religious people use such christian terms of endearment to show just how welcoming they are.
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It really fills my heart with joy when religious people use such christian terms of endearment to show just how welcoming they are.
I'm sorry about that, your right.
The first post is how we should treat people.
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It really fills my heart with joy when religious people use such christian terms of endearment to show just how welcoming they are.

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Okay, you're a fucking idiot............ You people that go through life walking your stupid ass line with all the other sheep ....

Originally Posted by MISHOWJEEPER
You're an idiot......... You're the one who should off himself........ maybe you should be one of those fucked up preachers .....
next time you see "god" walking down the street, kick that douchebag in the nuts .....


Excuse my imperfections, I haven't got the turn the other cheek thing down yet.
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I'm sorry about that, your right.
The first post is how we should treat people.
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Okay, you're a fucking idiot............ You people that go through life walking your stupid ass line with all the other sheep ....

Originally Posted by MISHOWJEEPER
You're an idiot......... You're the one who should off himself........ maybe you should be one of those fucked up preachers .....
next time you see "god" walking down the street, kick that douchebag in the nuts .....


Excuse my imperfections, I haven't got the turn the other cheek thing down yet.


True, the first post is not christian like either, but then the poster is not claiming to be christian.


Lets back up the spin machine a little.

Religious people claim to be better in their

Yet we see religious people acting like hypocrates when they


(fill in activity of choice for )

My point is, if you are going to claim to be a christain, or a follower of any religion for that matter, ACT LIKE IT!!!

Toes, your reaction was not christian like in anybodies book.

I was born and raised a catholic. I no longer consider myself catholic or any religion for that matter. But, I will always strive to act (what some people call) christian like in my dealings with others. I use the term christian like so the religious people here can understand the way I act. But I just look at it as the right way to act, not christain like.

I can disagree with people without stooping to a low level to get a point across. Can you?
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I used to feel like MISHOWJEEPER. I never admitted it, but I did. I just stayed away from the whole religious thing. Then I got into police work. I spent every single day, week after week, month after month, year after year dealing with human tragedy and human cruelty. Nothing but negativity. We never get to see the "good news" in a family. Just the rapes, beatings, abuse and neglect. The cops aren't called when somebody wants to share good news. They're called when something bad happens. You would have thought that all of that bullshit would have made my beliefs even further from God. They didn't. Because in the midst of it all, I had my eyes opened to the Truth. I have seen miracles. I have seen God's hand in people's lives and I have seen what happens when people deny God and damn God.

I don't care if you believe or not. I do. Absolutely. I know the Truth and I thank God each and every day because I once was blind and now I can see. The comfort level my faith gives me is tremendous. I don't go around preaching. As you can see, I use a little "street talk" now and then including some profanity. I'm no Angel. But, I am religious and do not attend church regularly. BTW I can also say that I live life to it's fullest and am having a damned good time with it too.
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True, the first post is not christian like either, but then the poster is not claiming to be christian.


Lets back up the spin machine a little.

Religious people claim to be better in their

Yet we see religious people acting like hypocrates when they


(fill in activity of choice for )

My point is, if you are going to claim to be a christain, or a follower of any religion for that matter, ACT LIKE IT!!!

Toes, your reaction was not christian like in anybodies book.

I was born and raised a catholic. I no longer consider myself catholic or any religion for that matter. But, I will always strive to act (what some people call) christian like in my dealings with others. I use the term christian like so the religious people here can understand the way I act. But I just look at it as the right way to act, not christain like.

I can disagree with people without stooping to a low level to get a point across. Can you?
i don't know weather to start at the top or bottom.

The top.

The first post is not humane let alone Christian like. Treating any person like that is unexcusable, but I guess it's Ok to make fun about it.

This Christian makes no such claims about being better than anybody.

We see all types of people acting like hypocrates and it's as bad for one as it is for the other.
Everbody justifies their actions weather they are christians or not, a non christian will justify their action regarding not following a rule as fast or faster than any christian will when they don't follow their rules.

If you look at what I said overall you would see I was trying to make a point as to, from a realistic point of view having something to look forward to is more appealling than this is the end. Darkness nothingness (Im not sure thats a real word)

You say you try to do the right thing how do you make that determination, where do you or did you get your foundation for the right thing, and if there is nothing after this just from a common sense standpoint who gives a shit.
Do what you want for you to enjoy while your here because nothing else matters, and when it's done you should have had as much fun for you as you could have with no regard to anything or anybody, it is no benefit to you in the least.

I can disagree with people at any level, sometimes I do it at their level, up or down.
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If it's one more jesus freak telling me he didn't believe, and now he does, save it. Or better yet, let me borrow it. I need something to wipe my ass with. People aren't born with religion, many don't even truly believe if they're raised with it. They find religion when something scares the shit out of them and they see their own mortality. You ever see how many people "find jesus" in jail?
Sounds like somebody is going to have a tough eternity in hell!
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[QUOTE having something to look forward to is more appealling than this is the end.[/QUOTE]

mr. toes wrapped it up perfectly with this one sentence. I don't care what fairy tale you believe in. Humans, for the most part, simply can't cope with their mortality. If it was written and spoken and pushed on people that scooby doo will be your savior, he would have passionate, radical followers just like every other sham religion. It makes no difference how people comfort themselves, I've been tempted to delude myself as well, but l can't seem to lie to myself
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You say you try to do the right thing how do you make that determination, where do you or did you get your foundation for the right thing, and if there is nothing after this just from a common sense standpoint who gives a shit.
Do what you want for you to enjoy while your here because nothing else matters, and when it's done you should have had as much fun for you as you could have with no regard to anything or anybody, it is no benefit to you in the least.


It scares me the number of times I hear "Christians" make comments like that. Are you saying that the only reason you treat people decent is your fear of incurring Gods wrath and eternal damnation? Are you saying that you have no morals but those that you learned in church and from your bible?

Who is the more "moral person", the so called "Christian" who leads a moral life out of fear of God's wrath and self preservation from eternal damnation, or the non-believer, who leads a moral life because he doesn't like to see other humans suffer and tries to avoid causing others to suffer and seeks to alleviate the suffering of others?
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Yet we see religious people acting like hypocrates when they


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My point is, if you are going to claim to be a christain, or a follower of any religion for that matter, ACT LIKE IT!!!
From what I've learned about Christianity, if a Christian "claims to be better in their..." they are already a hypocrite. Christians shouldn't "claim to be better", Christians are the same as everyone else except that they have accepted Jesus as their savior and believe he has "won them a place in heaven". While they should strive to live "Christian like" lives, they shouldn't claim to do it better than a non-believer.

If they claim to be better but don't live up to it shame on them. If they make no such claim but don't live up to what you think a Christian should be shame on you.

And I wouldn't write off the entire religion because some are hypocrites, I know some Christians do quite a good job of living up to the Christian standard. I know you know some too. Sure, no ones perfect, but that too is part of the Christian lesson, no mere human can ever achieve perfection except through Jesus Christ.
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See all that nothingness thats what you have to look forward to.

A pile of pills might be painless to end your meaningless, worthless, insignificant, nothing to look forward to life.

Is there some point where the absolutle rudeness of people ends? This one was uncalled for!!
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It scares me the number of times I hear "Christians" make comments like that. Are you saying that the only reason you treat people decent is your fear of incurring Gods wrath and eternal damnation? Are you saying that you have no morals but those that you learned in church and from your bible?

Who is the more "moral person", the so called "Christian" who leads a moral life out of fear of God's wrath and self preservation from eternal damnation, or the non-believer, who leads a moral life because he doesn't like to see other humans suffer and tries to avoid causing others to suffer and seeks to alleviate the suffering of others?
If we are born we live ? years and thats the end, why would you ever go out of your way to do anything that didn't have some benifit or pleasure to you?

To suggest morals would be a joke, who would make that determination and what would it be based on?
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Is there some point where the absolutle rudeness of people ends? This one was uncalled for!!
I already appologized, I think that after talking nothing but good for years that he should be treated as in the first post.

That seems to be acceptable to you, and then we can make fun about it.

Thats not rude its inconciviable that we, including you, would treat someone like that, and then we, including you, would make jokes about it.

If you read everything you would see the whole point was that it's more appealing not to just die and thats the end.

Please give us you opinion on beating the living shit out of somebody, especially some as bad as Jesus, then nailing them to a cross to die, and then we all make jokes about it.

Before you tell us how you feel set aside anything to do with religion and just look at it as done to another regular person.

I look forward to the new jokes you can come with about treating someone like that.

Try not to be rude.
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If we are born we live ? years and thats the end, why would you ever go out of your way to do anything that didn't have some benifit or pleasure to you?

To suggest morals would be a joke, who would make that determination and what would it be based on?
As I said, people who believe as you do scare me. Are you saying that if somehow it was proven that there actualy isn't a God and the athiests were right that you would go out and rape, pilliage, and plunder with no regard for others?

"Morals" is doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do, not because you fear punishment.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Toes Your so full of shit you have to have brown eye's.
Sounds like your primed for a shotgun in the mouth, or a swan dive off a building.
No reason not to.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Toes A pile of pills might be painless to end your meaningless, worthless, insignificant, nothing to look forward to life






I'm sure this would make your pastor, minister, god, & mother proud
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Sounds like somebody is going to have a tough eternity in hell!
We've already covered the "Religion is based on fear" thing
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