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Old April 24th, 2006, 10:51 PM   #1
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Is U.S. being transformed into a radical republic?

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Is U.S. being transformed into a radical republic?


By Lawrence Wilkerson

April 23, 2006

We Americans came not from a revolution but from an evolution.

That is in large part why our so-called revolution produced success while most throughout history did not. We came as much from the Magna Carta as from our own doings, as much from British common law and parliamentary development as from the Declaration of Independence and Continental Congress.

Unlike the true revolution on the other side of the Atlantic that led to Napoleon's dictatorship and strife and conflict all across Europe, our evolution founded the greatest country the world has ever seen. That was true in every element of power and in the uniqueness that makes us great, our constant striving for "a more perfect union" and, as we do so, our open arms for the other peoples of the world "yearning to be free."

As Alexis de Tocqueville once said: "America is great because she is good. If America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great."

In January 2001, with the inauguration of George W. Bush as president, America set on a path to cease being good; America became a revolutionary nation, a radical republic. If our country continues on this path, it will cease to be great - as happened to all great powers before it, without exception.

From the Kyoto accords to the International Criminal Court, from torture and cruel and unusual treatment of prisoners to rendition of innocent civilians, from illegal domestic surveillance to lies about leaking, from energy ineptitude to denial of global warming, from cherry-picking intelligence to appointing a martinet and a tyrant to run the Defense Department, the Bush administration, in the name of fighting terrorism, has put America on the radical path to ruin.

Unprecedented interpretations of the Constitution that holds the president as commander in chief to be all-powerful and without checks and balances marks the hubris and unparalleled radicalism of this administration.

Moreover, fiscal profligacy of an order never seen before has brought America trade deficits that boggle the mind and a federal deficit that, when stripped of the gimmickry used to make it appear more tolerable, will leave every child and grandchild in this nation a debt that will weigh upon their generations like a ball and chain around every neck. Imagine owing $150,000 from the cradle. That is radical irresponsibility.

This administration has expanded government - creation of the Homeland Security Department alone puts it in the record books - and government intrusiveness. It has brought a new level of sleaze and corruption to Washington (difficult to do, to be sure). And it has done the impossible in war-waging: put in motion a conflict in Iraq that in terms of colossal incompetence, civilian and military, and unbridled arrogance portends to top the Vietnam era, a truly radical feat.

In Eugene Jarecki's documentary Why We Fight, Richard Perle, head theoretician for the neo-Jacobins who masquerade under the title "neoconservatives," claims that America was changed forever by 9/11. He tells us that those attacks are responsible for all this radicalism. The Jacobins were members of a radical political club during the French Revolution that instituted brutal repression in what became known as the "reign of terror."

Mr. Perle says that we may think we can go back, but we cannot. "We are not the same people we were before," he says emphatically, as if he were our king. If he's correct, then our country is as spent as was Rome, Spain, the Netherlands, Britain and a host of other great powers before each toppled from the mountain.

Mr. Perle is not correct.

First, it was Mr. Perle and people such as he who put us where we are today, not the terrorists of 9/11. A somnolent Congress assisted - a Congress that, as Democratic Sen. Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia said as the Senate failed to debate in the run-up to the Iraq war, was "ominously, ominously, dreadfully silent."

Second, people such as Mr. Perle do not represent the bulk of Americans, who are anything but radical. Instead, they represent the Robespierres and Napoleons of this world, the neo-Jacobins of today. Robespierre was a leader of the reign of terror.

We can turn back; moreover, we must if the world is to continue on a trajectory of more freedom and more prosperity for increasing numbers of people. Without American leadership - the good America - the world cannot progress.

If we are in some way the indispensable nation that a few Americans have said we are, then that is why. And it is no arrogance of power to say it; rather, it is to admit abiding reverence for the way the world works.

Such awesome responsibility generates not the swaggering ineptitude of which we have witnessed so much of late, but the abject humility that should flood us when we confront such unprecedented responsibility. I imagine the feeling to be something akin to what Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower felt moments before the invasion of Normandy began June 6, 1944.

Congress can awaken and discover that the Constitution is correct, that Congress is in fact a separate and equal branch of government. The American people will find a way to deal with the remainder of the radicals, whether at the ballot box, in the courts or in the Senate.

We can halt the precipitate slide in our standing around the world, convince the majority of the Islamic world that we can and must co-exist - and eventually prosper together - and at the same time confront, confound and defeat the small element in Islam's midst that lives to murder innocents, Christian, Jew and Muslim alike.

All we need do, in reality, is return to our roots. Never in our almost 800-year history since the Magna Carta have we been radicals.

Retired Army Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, a visiting professor of government at the College of William and Mary in Virginia, was chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell from 2002 to 2005. His e-mail is wilkerlb@aol.com.

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Old April 24th, 2006, 11:03 PM   #2
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So then tell me, how do you fight an evil that is so great that they will do all in their power to destroy America and innocent Americans?

Do we sit back on our lorells? Do we become a peaceful nation while our enemies plan our demise?

No, we preimtively cut out the cancer that is those who would harm us! We go to Iraq if we can kill them before we are killed! We go to Iran or Korea or Nazi Germany or where ever we need to if it means that Americans will be safe, or those less fortunate in the world will live freely and look to great America as their savior!

I disagree with this article, not because of what he says about Bush, but what he leaves out about our duty as a nation to protect ourselves!! Sacrifices will be made and must be made to ensure victory! That is the costly price of greatness as a nation.


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Old April 24th, 2006, 11:07 PM   #3
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define "an evil so great" What is this, the Lord of the Rings?
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Old April 24th, 2006, 11:09 PM   #4
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Is it the Iraq that has no WMD's or the Iran that doesn't have any major nuclear capabilities?
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Old April 24th, 2006, 11:12 PM   #5
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define "an evil so great" What is this, the Lord of the Rings?
How about any person or group that would love to see the people that you love most in your life slaughtered. That is who we fight in this war. Terrorists that have no compassion for innocent children or women. They do not fight fairly, nor do they desire peace of any kind. They do not stand for "good" or "right" things, rather they want to kill as many Americans as possible.

That to me is a great evil that should not be tolerated.
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Old April 24th, 2006, 11:13 PM   #6
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Is it the Iraq that has no WMD's or the Iran that doesn't have any major nuclear capabilities?
If you think Iran now has no nuclear capabilites, you are truly a fool.
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Old April 24th, 2006, 11:15 PM   #7
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MAJOR. they might be able to fire one off at their neighbor, but you think they can hit the U.S. right now? And if they can, then if we invade, won't they just start firing em off left and right...

P.S. you don't have to be an asshole and start name calling.
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Old April 24th, 2006, 11:17 PM   #8
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What a load of bullshit.

I don't even know where to start with such a one sided bunch of shit.

Kyoto, international criminal courts, torture of prisoners, you've got to be fucking kidding me.

You really put merrit in that?
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MAJOR. they might be able to fire one off at their neighbor, but you think they can hit the U.S. right now? And if they can, then if we invade, won't they just start firing em off left and right...

P.S. you don't have to be an asshole and start name calling.
No name calling or offense meant. sorry. You don't think they can't just walk into America and set a nuke off in New York? I'm not worried about them getting long range missiles, I am worried about them bringing a nuke here.
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So then, Team America World Police is the chief regulator of who gets to use Nuclear power? If i was in another country, I would really get annoyed with America. meh, i'm going to bed.
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What a load of bullshit.

I don't even know where to start with such a one sided bunch of shit.

Kyoto, international criminal courts, torture of prisoners, you've got to be fucking kidding me.

You really put merrit in that?
That stuff isn't alway right or good, but then again, I never said America was perfect. We will always make mistakes, but the overall goal in this mission and war is American safety.

And don't even get me started on torture of prisoners. We are probably the only country in history that doesn't do it. If I know some dude has information that is important enought to save U.S. Soldiers lives....I'll do what I have to to get it out of him.
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So then, Team America World Police is the chief regulator of who gets to use Nuclear power? If i was in another country, I would really get annoyed with America. meh, i'm going to bed.
I don't know about you, but the biggest guy makes the rules. If some insane dictator gets his hands on nukes and he hates America and he has also said publically that he is the "prophet" that will bring about the end times and the end of the infidels.... I'm not so sure I want him to have nukes..... call me crazy
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"Kyoto Accords"
The U.S. didn't ratify them becuase: a) They imposed strict limits on U.S. industry that would cost billions to comply with and held competing nations like China/India/Indonesia/etc... to much lower standards, essentially reducing further our ability to compete. b) Sovereignty - the U.S. has not, does not, and will not be subject to the "laws" of outsiders. Period. It's part of that "evolutionary war" we fought. We also don't dip our flag to foreign dignitaries - but that's not new...

"International Criminal Court"
See "Sovereignty" above. Also - I for one will not tolerate the potential for on-duty U>S. military personnel to be brought before some hostile kangaroo court because of some perceived wrongdoing. For example, troops in Iraq firing on civilian cars that fail to stop at checkpoints.

"torture and cruel and unusual punishment of prisoners"
Wake up and smell the reality - war is an ugly, messy, and brutal business. So some hostile combatants (who, in violation of Geneva Convention rules fail to have military IDs, and could be shot on sight as spies) had some rough interrogations - if it saved the life / avoided the injury of one U.S. citizen, it was well worth it. And yes, it happened in the Revolutionary War, War Of 1812, Civil War, WW1 & WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and the first gulf war. Hell, my team was beaten that badly just during aircrew escape and evasion training - by our own guys. At least we didn't cut anyone's head off...

"illegal domestic surveillance"
I hope every call to or from an Al-Quaeda member/supporter/sympathizer is recorded. It happened under the Clinton administration too and the illegality of it has yet to be proven. There are as many legal opinions that say this was legal as say it was illegal. And the ones that say it was illegal are concerned with the process - not the outcome (i.e. the surveillance would've still been allowed, just the sequence of events would've had to change - at no point could anyone have stopped it). This is called being proactive - you know that thing the Bush administration wasn't because they didn't do this before 9/11?

"energy ineptitude"
Essentially, the Bush administration has the same energy policy as the Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, and Nixon administrations - which is to say useless. It's nothing new - not particularly helpful, but not a legacy of the current administration.

"denial of global warming"
Global warming is a THEORY, that despite being rabidly embraced by pseudo-environmentalists and uneducated entertainment celebrities has yet to be proven using scientific principles and discipline. There are EQUALLY VALID theories that say we're experiencing global cooling. The bottom line is that the earth's climate is not now, and has never been "stable" or "fixed". It went through cycles before man was here (in our current evolved form) and will continue into the future. Isn't it a little arrogant to think that just because we're here that the climate will not change, species will not emerge and become extinct, and the earth's surface will not change?


from cherry-picking intelligence to appointing a martinet and a tyrant to run the Defense Department,

"cherry-picking intelligence"
Did Iraq have WMDs? Or in the months leading up to the war were they part of the thousands of tons of material shipped to Syria? Trains and truck convoys ran constantly in the weeks leading up to the war, moving all manner of material - including WMDs?

The bottom line is that intelligence is always flawed, and it's a judgement call. I'd prefer the judgement of someone guided by principles to the random actions of someone guided by polls....

"appointing a martinet and a tyrant to run the Defense Department"
So Donald Rumsfeld is unpopular with some of his subordinates - not uncommon. I'm not saying he'd be MY first choice, but I fail to see what he's done that was maliciously wrong. And, no, Rumsfeld (not any of his predecessors) know wvery detail of every action that takes place across all of the branches of the service at all times.
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Is it the Iraq that has no WMD's or the Iran that doesn't have any major nuclear capabilities?
not now they dont, they had them in the 80s had a nuclear program also, they refused to follow UN mandates and allow ispection, and ferried all the WMDs off to syria and buried shit in the desert.

Sova do you know when it was declared there was no WMD's how many cities they had searched ? I think it was only 32 but could be as high as 40. You do not know there was no WMD's, THATS BULL SHIT. There was WMD's in the 80's-1992 ish. There is no debate over that. Get a clue dude and don't belive every anti bush anti military anti american thing you read. I can hide a war head in a backback. Do you have any idea how easy it is to hide a few war heads, and how stupid you looking saying there is no WMDS
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So then, Team America World Police is the chief regulator of who gets to use Nuclear power? If i was in another country, I would really get annoyed with America. meh, i'm going to bed.
Yeah if i was some un educated dirt poor dirt farmer i sure would get sick of billions of dollars in aid, free food, free farm implements, free seed technology to work in shitty soil and resist disease, ass hole americans for sending me their old cloths so i dont have to spend 3 days fashioning shoes, or a week making cloths every year, sick of the opportunity to come to america to study return home and get rich. Those prick ameicans.

Plus those damned americans are always knocking the shit out of dictators and foolishing trying to better the lives of others and stabalize the world. Bastids. I LOOOOOVE rougue generals comming to my town at night, with posse's of machete wielding jackass's hoped up and drugs killing everyone that isnt the same ethnic groups as them.

What makes them think i want all there fucking money for free, assholes.

I am sick of free vacinations, their scientists and doctors comming here for free and fixing my kids hair lip (surgery would be 1/2 years salary for me), giving my other kids small pox and polio vaccinations, and showing us how to purify water so my kids dont die of explosive diaherra. Jack ass americans.

DEATH TO THE GREAT WHITE DEVILS!!!!

When was the last time we abused our power. Now imagine any of the communist nations (espcially the small ones with napoleon complex) getting nuclear capability.

Me personally i am sick of working and have assholes like kim ill jung blackmailing the west for food and fuel. He has billions of dolars he stole from his people (remember its a communist country .. i dont know if i ever heard of a liberal complain of communist leaders living better than american billionaire businessmen while their poor people starve.) He has villas and masion all over the world and lives a life of oppulance that i can only dream of.

Yeah i bet all those starving Koreans are glad they starved for 15 years so the leader can be a big shot, are real resentful of america, i bet you they wish we would have stepped in ten years ago.

Nuclear programs are not cheap. Most countries in this world cannot afford an army that could defeat a local michigan militia group. First problem is where does the money come from for a hole in the wall country to fund such an endevor, and HOW IN THE WORLD DOES YOUR CLUELESS ASS THINK THEY ARE GOING TO PROTECT IT. Thats just what the world needs is every piss and country with an unprotected nuclear program where and warlord with 3 landcruisers can storm the joint and take all the nuclear materials needed for bombs. THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL !!!

The brightside is this:
Iran wants to give the technology to Sudan (we all know or hope we all know that Russia could not afford to keep decent secuirty of there war heads .... RUSSIA!!! as in the former second world power!!)
Now imagine the sudan with nuclear technology, they cant even grow food, they cant even distribute free food from the west effeciently!!!

Well the good thing is when the nuclear materials are stolen as long as they are out in the sudanese desert they "dont really exist" according to mikesova .... so we can all sleep at night, no biggie.

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