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Old February 17th, 2017, 09:58 AM   #281
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WTF do you think you can oust him for? Just because you don't like him is not good enough.
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Old February 17th, 2017, 09:59 AM   #282
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WTF do you think you can oust him for? Just because you don't like him is not good enough.
I don't want to defend scottie, because he makes baseless posts....

But did you read the article I posted and the thoughts by a 30 year republican judge and why he feels he should be impeached?
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The article I posted wasn't an opinion by news media, it was written by a republican judge who is retired and posted it to a cincinnatti news paper.
Doesn't mean it doesn't have a slant to it. I'm not claiming true or false. I'm saying I don't care about non national issues. I really don't. If he doubles his net worth in office and does the things I voted for, I really don't care.
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You don't have to be liberal to not like trump. I feel this is one of the reasons why trump won and isn't ousted yet. Republicans have been blindly following him no matter what.
Well stop living life with your feelings and start focusing on reasonability. He is not going to be ousted. Come to terms with this or you're going to have a bad time.

Yes, a lot of stuff he has said was stupid. What he has said about breaking down government failings resonates with people more, still. He won't start losing followers until his missteps outnumber his attempts at fixing what the political machine has broken.

There's nothing anyone can say that will help you reconcile what's happening, you have to take a deep breath and ride it out. Try to look past his bad speech delivery and see the intent, or message. Liberals seem to take what he says in literal fashion when he is trying to implement resolutions to what everyone knows is a problem. Shit is broken. Him doing something is better than the not do anything approach Washington has been following. Nobody likes his ego or king mentality anymore than they liked Obama's sneaky screw you over by signing shit late at night when no one was looking.

I'm wondering how many news outlets will take his "we are going to attack Mosul" example and start proclaiming the sky is falling for Mosul.

For the record, I did not vote for Trump and I'm not a Trump supporter. But I'm also not going to follow the pitchfork herd that wants him roasted when he's not done anything worse than what Congress has done to us for years.
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America's net worth is up $2.7 Trillion since Trump was elected
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Well stop living life with your feelings and start focusing on reasonability. He is not going to be ousted. Come to terms with this or you're going to have a bad time.

Yes, a lot of stuff he has said was stupid. What he has said about breaking down government failings resonates with people more, still. He won't start losing followers until his missteps outnumber his attempts at fixing what the political machine has broken.

There's nothing anyone can say that will help you reconcile what's happening, you have to take a deep breath and ride it out. Try to look past his bad speech delivery and see the intent, or message. Liberals seem to take what he says in literal fashion when he is trying to implement resolutions to what everyone knows is a problem. Shit is broken. Him doing something is better than the not do anything approach Washington has been following. Nobody likes his ego or king mentality anymore than they liked Obama's sneaky screw you over by signing shit late at night when no one was looking.

I'm wondering how many news outlets will take his "we are going to attack Mosul" example and start proclaiming the sky is falling for Mosul.

For the record, I did not vote for Trump and I'm not a Trump supporter. But I'm also not going to follow the pitchfork herd that wants him roasted when he's not done anything worse than what Congress has done to us for years.
Thanks for posting that, I like it and agree.
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Doesn't mean it doesn't have a slant to it. I'm not claiming true or false. I'm saying I don't care about non national issues. I really don't. If he doubles his net worth in office and does the things I voted for, I really don't care.
Did I say it was slant free? My point was it came from a fellow republican who held a public office for 30 years. It didn't come from a journalist who just graduated from snowflake university.

Not caring about non national things and Government Interference with private business really sounds like everything you are against. I seem to recall some pretty passionate posts from you about how politics affect your current employer and their business. Trump meddling about in making sure policy suits his businesses could harm other businesses and could lead to future leaders being just as corrupt and causing more or worse issues. It sets a bad precedent, and I really would have expected that you'd give a damn about that.
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Did I say it was slant free? My point was it came from a fellow republican who held a public office for 30 years. It didn't come from a journalist who just graduated from snowflake university.

Not caring about non national things and Government Interference with private business really sounds like everything you are against. I seem to recall some pretty passionate posts from you about how politics affect your current employer and their business. Trump meddling about in making sure policy suits his businesses could harm other businesses and could lead to future leaders being just as corrupt and causing more or worse issues. It sets a bad precedent, and I really would have expected that you'd give a damn about that.
You are missing my point. There are lots of 30 year who don't like Trump and will not give him a fair shake. John McCain for example. So I don't give any more credence to this judge than anyone else. If you want to quote judges, there are some in his camp like Jenine and Nap. My point is this, I'm not going to pay attention to someone making an issue about Ivanka Trump or any of the Trump holdings. If our economy goes good, his business's will go good, as they should. I will be very surprised if he goes out of his way to meddle in the business world to advance his holdings while hurting America as a whole.

I've read his books and believe that he is a patriotic guy who has cared about this country for a very long time. He says now the same things he said 30 years ago. It's why I voted for him.
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You are missing my point. There are lots of 30 year who don't like Trump and will not give him a fair shake. John McCain for example. So I don't give any more credence to this judge than anyone else. If you want to quote judges, there are some in his camp like Jenine and Nap. My point is this, I'm not going to pay attention to someone making an issue about Ivanka Trump or any of the Trump holdings. If our economy goes good, his business's will go good, as they should. I will be very surprised if he goes out of his way to meddle in the business world to advance his holdings while hurting America as a whole.

I've read his books and believe that he is a patriotic guy who has cared about this country for a very long time. He says now the same things he said 30 years ago. It's why I voted for him.
I'm not missing your point. I'm confused by your point.

Really, you seem to be willing to blindly support him like Scottie would have done with Obama or Bernie or Hillary.

There are enough Republicans, judges, senators, congressmen, etc. speaking out about Trump that I don't think it's just a media bias or otherwise. Enough people from his own party are against him for legit reasons that i have to consider these things and take them into account when looking at his presidency so far.

As far as our economy goes, it's one thing for him to make good changes and his business as well as others thrive because of it. It's another for him to attack companies that no longer support him or his family and suggest we buy their products anyway when he is the president. That's a serious conflict of interest and it still surprises me that doesn't bother you.
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Well stop living life with your feelings and start focusing on reasonability. He is not going to be ousted. Come to terms with this or you're going to have a bad time.

Yes, a lot of stuff he has said was stupid. What he has said about breaking down government failings resonates with people more, still. He won't start losing followers until his missteps outnumber his attempts at fixing what the political machine has broken.

There's nothing anyone can say that will help you reconcile what's happening, you have to take a deep breath and ride it out. Try to look past his bad speech delivery and see the intent, or message. Liberals seem to take what he says in literal fashion when he is trying to implement resolutions to what everyone knows is a problem. Shit is broken. Him doing something is better than the not do anything approach Washington has been following. Nobody likes his ego or king mentality anymore than they liked Obama's sneaky screw you over by signing shit late at night when no one was looking.

I'm wondering how many news outlets will take his "we are going to attack Mosul" example and start proclaiming the sky is falling for Mosul.

For the record, I did not vote for Trump and I'm not a Trump supporter. But I'm also not going to follow the pitchfork herd that wants him roasted when he's not done anything worse than what Congress has done to us for years.
Hard to argue with a lot of this. But I think we still need to be watchful and have a critical eye on a lot of his behavior as it is setting precedent of a slippery slope in the future.
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My point is that I don't buy any of it till we see what really happens. At this point, it's purely speculation on everyone's part.

I'm with VR.
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My point is that I don't buy any of it till we see what really happens. At this point, it's purely speculation on everyone's part.

I'm with VR.
And my point is how can you NOT be skeptical of him based on the things he has actually publicly said that show just what some of these people are talking about? (media, politicians, business leaders, his actual twitter posts, seeing it with our own eyes, etc)

That is the part i am surprised by. I'm like you, I like some of his campaign promises.

We're in agreement there and I am willing like VR said to ride that out.

But to say you aren't concerned about his meddling in matters that show a conflict of interest is what I'm surprised by. He's not hiding it. He's saying it himself. It's not false reporting, the words come right out of his mouth.

To not be concerned about that really surprises me, because if Obama had done/said things like that, I'm almost certain you would have thrown him under the bus for it.
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I really don't give too many shits about him using his position to promote his or his family's brands. His ego is too big for him to realize that so many people hate him that it probably does as much harm as good. And I just laugh at him when he whines about how unfair it is that stores are dropping their brands. He may dismiss unpopularity in poles as "fake news" but I suspect that the people at those stores are looking at them and considering them when making decisions on what to carry.

What does concern me are things like the report I saw last week that claimed that Chinese authorities had agreed to crack down on companies there that were infringing on the "Trump" brand, and the suggestion that they may be doing it to gain political favor with the Trump administration. I did not "fact check" the article, so I don't know the truthiness of it, but that type of thing is what concerns me.

And if there one think that could lead to impeachment it's this whole Russian connection. He has pissed off so much of the media that I guarantee that there is an army of reporters digging at every led to find something to bring him down.
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I really don't give too many shits about him using his position to promote his or his family's brands. His ego is too big for him to realize that so many people hate him that it probably does as much harm as good. And I just laugh at him when he whines about how unfair it is that stores are dropping their brands. He may dismiss unpopularity in poles as "fake news" but I suspect that the people at those stores are looking at them and considering them when making decisions on what to carry.

What does concern me are things like the report I saw last week that claimed that Chinese authorities had agreed to crack down on companies there that were infringing on the "Trump" brand, and the suggestion that they may be doing it to gain political favor with the Trump administration. I did not "fact check" the article, so I don't know the truthiness of it, but that type of thing is what concerns me.

And if there one think that could lead to impeachment it's this whole Russian connection. He has pissed off so much of the media that I guarantee that there is an army of reporters digging at every led to find something to bring him down.
These are the kinds of things that we don't have total proof of yet, but make me very critical of his other behaviors you mentioned.

There may not be too much harm in him telling us to buy his daughters shoes, but when combined with these other allegations it seems like something to be concerned about.
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For those of you who whined about the cost for protecting the Obama family on their travels:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/costing-f...062440454.html
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If the pitchfork herd left them alone it would not take an army of agents to protect them!
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If the pitchfork herd left them alone it would not take an army of agents to protect them!
The same could be said for every president in history.
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