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Old February 25th, 2008, 07:32 PM   #61
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I heard that Ford is copying GM and turning the Vulcan 3.0L V6 into a diesel and putting it into their half ton trucks.
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Old February 25th, 2008, 07:59 PM   #62
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The '09 F-150 in Platinum trim or whatever the fukc it's called can get up around $60k, if I remember right. I do know Ford thinks pickups can't get expensive enough... Platinum replaces the Lincoln truck, right?
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When talking about truck motors and towing, who cares about HP, isn't TQ more important.?
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Old February 25th, 2008, 08:01 PM   #64
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Ford thinks so.


Platinum is above King Ranch and does NOT replace Lincoln.
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Age old arguement....I'm sure you've heard "torque wins races, horsepower sells cars"
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Old February 25th, 2008, 08:17 PM   #68
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Age old arguement....I'm sure you've heard "torque wins races, horsepower sells cars"
Yes, I've heard that statement.
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When talking about truck motors and towing, who cares about HP, isn't TQ more important.?

1/2 tons are still primarily used as daily drivers, not workhorses.

And tq is meaningless if it can't be put to the road. Horsepower is the measure of torque applied at road speed.


All of the specs I've seen show outputs around ~275hp/500 ftlbs. I could see low 300s with comp controlled torque curves clipping the low end torque to save the drivelines.

In most real world driving, 1/2 throttle accels, etc, diesels feel faster than they are. But when the numbers are run, horsepower is horsepower. Especially now that better 5 and 6 speed transmissions and variable valve timing are coming into the picture.

If the prices aren't stupid, I'll take a 275hp diesel that will get me a solid 18-19 mpg CITY, over a 400 hp gasser.
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Age old arguement....I'm sure you've heard "torque wins races, horsepower sells cars"
Yep, its an old arguement. old and outdated.
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Old February 25th, 2008, 09:08 PM   #71
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Yep, its an old arguement. old and outdated.
Kind of Like 90% of the ford models :tonka:
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Kind of Like 90% of the ford drivetrains...:tonka:
Fixed it..

Lots of nice veihcles hampered by bottom of the barrel engines and absolutely horrible transmissions/programming..
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Old February 25th, 2008, 09:15 PM   #73
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Fixed it..

Lots of nice veihcles hampered by bottom of the barrel engines and absolutely horrible transmissions/programming..
The sad part is, the only ford i like is the ranger, and its probably their 2nd most dated model.


but its the only small truck left
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when are you guys going to learn that the guy who works on guages and IP's knows more then anyone about powertrain?
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but its the only small truck left
thats because you and the one other person that buys them aren't enough to keep the platform alive.
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when are you guys going to learn that the guy who works on guages and IP's knows more then anyone about powertrain?
Heh, yeah, we don't know anything about diesel powertrains here at work. I started my career here doing powertrain calibration on the 7.3 powerstroke.
There are two types of engineers out there.

Type one, which is FAR to common is the guy that goes there and does their job and leaves.

Type two are the car guys. Those who go out and learn everything they can, know people on every platforn, every OEM, catalog every little slip, every little corner of paper sticking out on a desk....




I think most of the guys on my current program voluntarily took the tightest timed program because we wanted to work on the Camaro.

Besides, there's a different IP generally for every single engine/trans combo. So we have pretty far advance notice of all the engines going in.

Trust me, you can see the car guys real quick, they are the guys who notice the cadillac cluster has a boost gage....
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The Ranger is alot dated, the dashboards have not changed since '94, nor much else in fact very, very little at all has changed. '98 was the biggest change because of A-arm IFS. It's probably the oldest vehicle they have.

Haggar is right, they make some pretty decent cars, but they've left their engines and drivetrain department to rot.
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The problem Jesus is there's very little passion for cars bred into most new engineers these days. I don't know if thats for lack of inspiration such as the muscle cars of the 60's. My dad was definitely a type 2 guy. Don't understand why he chose to avoid cars like the plague at home though. Did basic maintenance and that was it. No hot rods, no jeeps, no nothing.
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Heh, yeah, we don't know anything about diesel powertrains here at work. I started my career here doing powertrain calibration on the 7.3 powerstroke.
There are two types of engineers out there.

Type one, which is FAR to common is the guy that goes there and does their job and leaves.

Type two are the car guys. Those who go out and learn everything they can, know people on every platforn, every OEM, catalog every little slip, every little corner of paper sticking out on a desk....




I think most of the guys on my current program voluntarily took the tightest timed program because we wanted to work on the Camaro.

Besides, there's a different IP generally for every single engine/trans combo. So we have pretty far advance notice of all the engines going in.

Trust me, you can see the car guys real quick, they are the guys who notice the cadillac cluster has a boost gage....
You don't think that me talking to 30-50 of you guys per day I can't tell who the car guys are and who the Jesus 's are?
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