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Old February 13th, 2008, 09:29 PM   #1
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End of an Era?

I personally don't think so. I liked what Lutz said in the article about how even at the height of vegetarianism, stores were still selling New York strips.

Eventually V8s might be gone, but there are vehicles that prove you can go fast on different or more fuel efficient engines. Turbocharged or supercharged small displacement engines. Hell, even the Tesla Roadster is one quick car, and it's pure electric power calculated to roughly be around 100 mpg (taking into consideration recharging the batteries from an outlet).

I think technology will prevail. Technology is coming out for wireless communication of control systems and sensors, along with numerous other technologies that will lessen the weight of vehicles. Design changes that the public will accept with better aerodynamic characteristics will also help. Too many people want to immediately blame engines, when the weight/design of the vehicle is also a huge contributing factor.

I also think this article is confusing V8s in light aerodynamic cars to those in trucks when they are very different in fuel efficiency. I know 'Vette owners that'll get almost in the mid 20's cruising on the freeway at the speed limit. That's kinda hard to do in a truck.
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Well, they gotta do something.

I want an all electric vehicle I can recharge from a solar/ windmill array, while parked in from of my geo-thermal temperature controlled house.

Not that I'm all that green, I just hate paying utility bills.
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Old February 13th, 2008, 10:13 PM   #3
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Well, they gotta do something.

I want an all electric vehicle I can recharge from a solar/ windmill array, while parked in from of my geo-thermal temperature controlled house.

Not that I'm all that green, I just hate paying utility bills.


That would be a pretty sweet set-up, as long as you could make back initial costs quickly which you probably would.
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It works best out west, Nevada/New Mexico/Arizona....

I do know some one who has done it, except for the electric car. Uses submarine batteries for storage, a windmill and solar array, plus solar hot water. The house is 3/4 underground to use a geothermal type heat, but it's not true geothermal.

Cost about $200,000 to set up, not including house and property.
Recoup some costs as tax writeoff for his company.
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I want an all electric vehicle I can recharge from a solar/ windmill array, while parked in from of my geo-thermal temperature controlled house.

Not that I'm all that green, I just hate paying utility bills.
ok but we can make ectice off of cows munture and chinken and pig and we can get 25 with trucks anymore with v8's
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maybe for the passenger cars but the trucks will not lose the v8. getting up to 35 mpg when you have to fight wind resistance and friction is a tall order. the standards are getting sooooo out there that it is just plain silly. when will people learn to stop trying to fucking control the climate of the planet based on 50 years. do the analysis in 3000-5000 years then decide this has been done countless times throughout history and humans in the end have always fail. those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
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not to mention we are comming out of a ice age hence its warming up why do you think greenland is called greenland in roman times it was green then a ice age hit a small one never the less but still an ice age
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maybe for the passenger cars but the trucks will not lose the v8. getting up to 35 mpg when you have to fight wind resistance and friction is a tall order. the standards are getting sooooo out there that it is just plain silly. when will people learn to stop trying to fucking control the climate of the planet based on 50 years. do the analysis in 3000-5000 years then decide this has been done countless times throughout history and humans in the end have always fail. those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
I just love how vehicles keep getting heavier and heavier for more of the junk for safety regulations and crash test standards, but the government wants better and better gas mileage. Gas mileage and weight don't go hand in hand.
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I just love how vehicles keep getting heavier and heavier for more of the junk for safety regulations and crash test standards, but the government wants better and better gas mileage. Gas mileage and weight don't go hand in hand.
x1.65 trillion. very well said. perhaps if we taught people how to drive better we wouldn't have to add in testicle airbags.
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x1.65 trillion. very well said. perhaps if we taught people how to drive better we wouldn't have to add in testicle airbags.


My freakin' car has driver's side and passenger side airbags, as well as an airbag in the kick panel so my legs don't get broken, as well as side curtain air bags.

Having the five star rating in every crash test evalution they do is nice I guess, but damn that's a lot of explosions going off around my head if I get into an accident.
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yup we chould better send the monney on preventing accidents tech some more driving skills
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if I was to give an estimate a good 70% of accidents I see could have been avoided by one or both parties actually paying attention.
i was taught to drive by my dad that when you drive you need to constantly be assessing the condition of traffic ahead of where you are at.
never drive by the end of your hood.
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Old February 14th, 2008, 12:08 PM   #13
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ok shut up i drive on the same roads as you do
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Huh? WTF is ectice?
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where the fukc do you get off leave the fucker alone he cant spell its not like hes burning a cross on you front yard all he did is mis spell some words he didnt rip you off he never says anything bad about you guys as i have read so far all he does is miss spell word i dont know but it sounds like some third grade bulling going on
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where the fukc do you get off leave the fucker alone he cant spell its not like hes burning a cross on you front yard all he did is mis spell some words he didnt rip you off he never says anything bad about you guys as i have read so far all he does is miss spell word i dont know but it sounds like some third grade bulling going on
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where the fukc do you get off leave the fucker alone he cant spell its not like hes burning a cross on you front yard all he did is mis spell some words he didnt rip you off he never says anything bad about you guys as i have read so far all he does is miss spell word i dont know but it sounds like some third grade bulling going on
Whatever. I still don't know what "ectice" is.
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End of an Era?

I personally don't think so. I liked what Lutz said in the article about how even at the height of vegetarianism, stores were still selling New York strips.

Eventually V8s might be gone, but there are vehicles that prove you can go fast on different or more fuel efficient engines. Turbocharged or supercharged small displacement engines. Hell, even the Tesla Roadster is one quick car, and it's pure electric power calculated to roughly be around 100 mpg (taking into consideration recharging the batteries from an outlet).

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V-8s aren't necessarily the issue. Its aerodynamics and weight. My Z06 corvette got 30mpg on the highway. Its a lightweight, aerodynamic, well-geared vehicle... even though it had 400 hp.

All these SUVs that weight 5000+lbs are a huge issue.

In reality, we are probably headed toward a european vehicle market eventually with very small cars and weak engines.
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