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Old February 10th, 2008, 04:16 PM   #1
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This thread got me thinking:

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Why doesn't Congress pass a law stating that English is the official language? I would imagine with the latest illegal immigrant backlash there would be support for it. Not to mention the cost savings of not having to print everything in multiple languages.


Seriously though, what are the political ramifications of making English the official language of the US?


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Old February 10th, 2008, 04:32 PM   #2
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Pissing off the minority.

Democracy....majority rules. Yet we never seem to follow that.
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In my mind, it has something to do with this (more the concept than the actual..)

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

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Because every time it's brought up, it gets twisted into being some kind of xenophobic anti-Mexican move and politicians (of all parties) run from it.

Apparently, the U.S. having an official language is bad and "exclusionary". It would also pave the way to stopping funding for K-12 schools in "unofficial" languages and requirements that official government business (like driver's license examinations, welfare applicaitions, etc...) only be conducted in the "official language".

Another example of politically-correct gutlessness neutering our national identity and heritage.

And when the human flotsam that are my ancestors arrived here, they did so legally, followed the rules, and learned the de facto national language. Nowhere does the "torch of liberty" tell those seeking refuge not to fit in.

Remember all of the "melting pot" stuff from school? How we were stronger because we took people from all cultures and made them part of ours? We used to brag about that (well, because it worked). We assimilated people from all over the world and made the U.S. the best place on earth. Now, we're pursuing the path of accommodation rather than assimilation - moving from "join us" (per Jesus 's quote) to "come here, and stay separate (because I guess separate is no longer inherently unequal)...
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i am all for diversity. hell if wasnt for minority's who would mow our lawns and iron our shirts and make our burgers. but i think that we need to make a stand on this. if you are a newly immigrated citizen and you no espeake, fine. but if you have lived here 10 years and have neither a education or the ability to speak english, i say you should be sent back to the old country.
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For some additional brilliance on the topic, see http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthr...ht=immigration
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What do you intend to do with long term business people? Are these also in your visitor group? Didn't mention them.

It is necessary for people to come over on up to 3 year assignments, just as its often necessary for us to send someone over there for similar assignments.
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What do you intend to do with long term business people? Are these also in your visitor group? Didn't mention them.

It is necessary for people to come over on up to 3 year assignments, just as its often necessary for us to send someone over there for similar assignments.
Yes. They'll adapt, just as we have.
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Yes. They'll adapt, just as we have.
I just was curious where they fit into your program. All our transplants are well versed in english. I can't say they same for our guys who go over there, though.
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I just was curious where they fit into your program. All our transplants are well versed in english. I can't say they same for our guys who go over there, though.
Yeah but the important question is can our guys speak Ebonics and should that be our offical language?














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My question is why should it be? Besides for giving some people the perverse satisfaction of knowing that they other people's lives more difficult what would be accomplished? Do you think the governments would be better able to deal with the immigrants if they're forbidden from communicating with them in their native language?

I think the cost of printing a few thinks in Spanish would pale in comparison to the headaches you'd be creating for government officials who would not be permitted to use languages other than English when dealing with foreigners on official business.

I for one am for less governments control on how people live, not more.
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My question is why should it be? Besides for giving some people the perverse satisfaction of knowing that they other people's lives more difficult what would be accomplished? Do you think the governments would be better able to deal with the immigrants if they're forbidden from communicating with them in their native language?

I think the cost of printing a few thinks in Spanish would pale in comparison to the headaches you'd be creating for government officials who would not be permitted to use languages other than English when dealing with foreigners on official business.

I for one am for less governments control on how people live, not more.
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When my ancestors came here, they wanted to assimilate themselves into this culture. No longer were they Polish or Ukrainian, they were American.

Now it's always xxxx American, and everyone that comes here wants to reap the benefits of this country without assimilating themselves into the American culture.

No one learned Polish or Ukrainian for the accommodation of my ancestors, so why the hell should U.S. citizens be learning Spanish or what have you accommodate today's immigrants?
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Imho I see the Mexicans coming here in mass numbers and bringing their language and culture with them and could care less about becoming a part of US. In other words they're invading and not assimilating.
When I was at the Washington mall where they were protesting that day they were waving flags of other nations and not the USA flag.
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"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American… There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." — Teddy Roosevelt


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"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American… There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." — Teddy Roosevelt


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nations which have defined a national language don't seem to have any major issues with it...

Where do you draw the line with catering to immigrants who do not know English? There are hundreds or thousands of languages out there. Catering to everyone would get quite expensive. Defining a national language, or even 2 accepted national languages gives a clearly defined view as to what is expected to assimilate into our culture.

The fact of the matter is, all of our legislation is written in English, most of our forms and documents are written in English. To fully understand them, you need to know English. The effort to duplicate and maintain all of these documents in even 2 languages would be enormous. There's a high possibility there could be translation issues. If the documents aren't updated at the same time, which ones are authoritative?

Defining a national language does not mean that you cannot communicate with people in another language. It means that all of the country's legal documents and official communications with its citizens are expected to be in that language. To be a citizen, it shouldn't be an unreasonable expectation that you can communicate effectively with other citizens.

If you go to government offices expecting to communicate in a language other than the national language, you should be handed a form in your language that directs you to someone that can teach you the national language. This should be the only official government document written in anything other than English.
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When my ancestors came here, they wanted to assimilate themselves into this culture. No longer were they Polish or Ukrainian, they were American.

Now it's always xxxx American, and everyone that comes here wants to reap the benefits of this country without assimilating themselves into the American culture.

No one learned Polish or Ukrainian for the accommodation of my ancestors, so why the hell should U.S. citizens be learning Spanish or what have you accommodate today's immigrants?
I wish I could ask my ancestors that immigrated here how they felt about assimilating and how quickly they learned English and they could get by with only speaking their native language. Since that was well over 100 years ago theres no one alive from back then so it would be purely speculation for me to compare now to then.
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I wish I could ask my ancestors that immigrated here how they felt about assimilating and how quickly they learned English and they could get by with only speaking their native language. Since that was well over 100 years ago theres no one alive from back then so it would be purely speculation for me to compare now to then.
allowing a transitional period is much different than actively allowing them to continue to live in the United States unable to communicate with everyone else
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I wish I could ask my ancestors that immigrated here how they felt about assimilating and how quickly they learned English and they could get by with only speaking their native language. Since that was well over 100 years ago theres no one alive from back then so it would be purely speculation for me to compare now to then.
I simply asked my Grandmother.
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