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Old February 7th, 2008, 08:12 PM   #21
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I take care of myself, go to the gym and eat right, don't smoke and drink maybe once every three months, but my grandpa had cancer so I can't get insurance. How fair is that? not good insurance anyways considering I work and go to school and have two kids. Isn't it my right to get some type of decent health care?

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Why are you watching a propaganda piece about health care in English class in the first place? I could understand possibly during a government, politics, debate, or science course....

Is your (obviously) very liberal teacher introducing any of the potential downfalls of this type of system, or only pimping their side?

I consider it a shame that since so many of our educators lean more towards the liberal side of the fence, they tend to use it as an opportunity to have a captive audience to mold to their will. I don't support brainwashing kids to the conservative side of things either, the education system should be as unbiased as possible. Children should be raised to have their own opinions, rather than be indoctrinated with whatever their teacher believes.
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I take care of myself, go to the gym and eat right, don't smoke and drink maybe once every three months, but my grandpa had cancer so I can't get insurance. How fair is that? not good insurance anyways considering I work and go to school and have two kids. Isn't it my right to get some type of decent health care?
F no its not your right. Save your money to pay for more expensive premiums. I don't remember reading in the constitution that you have a RIGHT to free healthcare.

The reason no company will insure you is becasue they will likely lose money on you down the road. Its a business. You don't make money on losing bets.

If the govt takes over, MY taxes will pay for your bad genes. As harsh as that sounds, its the truth. I don't want to have to pay for other people's healthcare. I want to work hard, save my money and take care of myself and my family if we get sick.
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That stat is horribly misleading. Canadians as well as many european contries have different health habits than fat lazy Americans. That is the REAL reason behind their more healthy societies. Almost no fast food, eating smaller amounts, more exercise, less stress.

And just an FYI, most europeans and canadians still have PRIVATE healthcare insurance policies. The state run system is so horrible that many private companies are selling just as many policies there as they are here... only because their system sucks.

X2....ask any canuk about they're "government provided health care" and they'll tell you it sucks....


Do I agree that the cost of healthcare should be addressed? Yes. But as stated above, I don't think healthcare is the only thing that needs to be addressed - the way we live taxes us and makes us unhealthier than other nations. This country is very unhealthy and is addicted to medications for everything (which often times the person doesn't need). It's out of hand, and for that the government needs to get involved....

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F no its not your right. Save your money to pay for more expensive premiums. I don't remember reading in the constitution that you have a RIGHT to free healthcare.

The reason no company will insure you is becasue they will likely lose money on you down the road. Its a business. You don't make money on losing bets.

If the govt takes over, MY taxes will pay for your bad genes. As harsh as that sounds, its the truth. I don't want to have to pay for other people's healthcare. I want to work hard, save my money and take care of myself and my family if we get sick.
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Why are you watching a propaganda piece about health care in English class in the first place? I could understand possibly during a government, politics, debate, or science course....

Is your (obviously) very liberal teacher introducing any of the potential downfalls of this type of system, or only pimping their side?

I consider it a shame that since so many of our educators lean more towards the liberal side of the fence, they tend to use it as an opportunity to have a captive audience to mold to their will. I don't support brainwashing kids to the conservative side of things either, the education system should be as unbiased as possible. Children should be raised to have their own opinions, rather than be indoctrinated with whatever their teacher believes.



Yeah agree there, he apparently is teaching us how to write a argumentive paper???. So yeah but find it interesting with the Presidental election coming up and talking of health care reform.

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I take care of myself, go to the gym and eat right, don't smoke and drink maybe once every three months, but my grandpa had cancer so I can't get insurance. How fair is that? not good insurance anyways considering I work and go to school and have two kids. Isn't it my right to get some type of decent health care?
umm, there has to be more to the story than that to not be able to get good insurance... do you or your parents have any serious medical issues? have you filed so many claims that your insurance company dropped you?

Just about everybody has someone in their family with cancer, that's not exactly demonstrable disqualification for receiving coverage...
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F no its not your right. Save your money to pay for more expensive premiums. I don't remember reading in the constitution that you have a RIGHT to free healthcare.

The reason no company will insure you is becasue they will likely lose money on you down the road. Its a business. You don't make money on losing bets.

If the govt takes over, MY taxes will pay for your bad genes. As harsh as that sounds, its the truth. I don't want to have to pay for other people's healthcare. I want to work hard, save my money and take care of myself and my family if we get sick.
I agree with not paying for someone who dosen't take care of themselfs, but as a humanbeing I would help someone in need who has cancer, theres benefits all the time, looking for support.
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F no its not your right. Save your money to pay for more expensive premiums. I don't remember reading in the constitution that you have a RIGHT to free healthcare.

The reason no company will insure you is becasue they will likely lose money on you down the road. Its a business. You don't make money on losing bets.

If the govt takes over, MY taxes will pay for your bad genes. As harsh as that sounds, its the truth. I don't want to have to pay for other people's healthcare. I want to work hard, save my money and take care of myself and my family if we get sick.
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Mini-Beast.

Please save this video to your zip disc, and bring it in for the class.

It might put some education into your professor, or you might be kicked out of the class.

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I saw on the news the other day that Hillary will make you get your health insurance if it available to you. If you don't she will have your wages garnished to pay for it. I hope she wins so she can take care of me and make every decision in life for me. I really don't want to be responsible for me.


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Old February 7th, 2008, 08:39 PM   #31
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F no its not your right.
Thats how I feel about education. I shouldn't have to pay for your kids to go to public schools, but we'll leave this on topic with healthcare. Proceed. :tonka:
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I agree with not paying for someone who dosen't take care of themselfs, but as a humanbeing I would help someone in need who has cancer, theres benefits all the time, looking for support.
Thats called charity. I give lots of money to charity. There are many charity groups that give free healthcare to those who need it.

However, MAKING me pay isn't going to help anyone. Healthcare is a luxury, not a right.

We have nationalized healthcare anyway when you think about it. If I don't have insurance, I can just go to the emergency room, and the hospital MUST admit me by law. Thats nationalized healthcare. Illegals get healthcare like this all the time.
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Two words: FAT TAX
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Here you go.

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Old February 8th, 2008, 12:05 AM   #35
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but my grandpa had cancer so I can't get insurance. How fair is that?
Pretty fair if you volunteered that information.


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Mini-Beast.

Please save this video to your zip disc, and bring it in for the class.

It might put some education into your professor, or you might be kicked out of the class.

YouTube Video
ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed.

yeah this was on the movie as well. Hes a tool.

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Thats how I feel about education. I shouldn't have to pay for your kids to go to public schools, but we'll leave this on topic with healthcare. Proceed. :tonka:
Now somebody understands the logic in all this.

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Yeah true that but when I file a claim they'll search the medical record of family and find this and disqualify me for lying on application, which they deny people everyday for. So no need to give them a reason right away.
And it's not like I can't get health care, but I have to pay out the ass for it, for I'm a carpenter and can't get it through work, unless some how I can get into the carpenters union, and I go to school. And I can't justify paying for health care now when it's hard enough paying for the kids and living period.

I'm not saying that this Universal Idea is the best thing but it makes you wonder how we can have a better system or perhaps something different. Merely stating it's hard for the younger generation when it comes to health care and if things are to continue the way they are now with everything else we going to be stuck in some shit. Considering as well as about to have a new president, maybe female, then what will happen then?

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Reagan was a tool???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Nothing good can come of goverenment controlled healthcare.

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yeah this was on the movie as well. Hes a tool.



Now somebody understands the logic in all this.




Yeah true that but when I file a claim they'll search the medical record of family and find this and disqualify me for lying on application, which they deny people everyday for. So no need to give them a reason right away.
And it's not like I can't get health care, but I have to pay out the ass for it, for I'm a carpenter and can't get it through work, unless some how I can get into the carpenters union, and I go to school. And I can't justify paying for health care now when it's hard enough paying for the kids and living period.

I'm not saying that this Universal Idea is the best thing but it makes you wonder how we can have a better system or perhaps something different. Merely stating it's hard for the younger generation when it comes to health care and if things are to continue the way they are now with everything else we going to be stuck in some shit. Considering as well as about to have a new president, maybe female, then what will happen then?

I'm pretty sure insurance companies can't just look up medical records of your family. We can't even give information beyond "He's doing ok/He's not doing too well" out to family members over the phone. Look up HIPAA laws. Even if you authorize an insurance company to access your records, you can NOT give them authority to access your family member's records. I work in a hospital and anybody who wants care comes through the ER and gets it. We have several people who are uninsured and frequently return to the hospital because they come in, get treated, then go home and don't change anything about their lives. They get better in the hospital, then go home, don't watch what they eat/drink, don't exercise, don't take care of themselves or even try. I, for one, do NOT want to be forced to pay for the people like that. I eat well, go to the gym 4 times a week and generally take care of myself. I also hold a job and have my own insurance. How is it fair for people like me to be forced to pay for people who don't try to get jobs or insurance? Somebody mentioned Social Security... how about the fact that a person can move into this country at 65 and collect Social Security even though they never contributed to the system? The government would run national health care the same way they run SS, welfare and every similar system... poorly. A better system would be the "Don't eat so damned much fast/fried food, get off your lazy ass and exercise and stop being a drain on society" system.

Edit: Oh I forgot... I hope you're not saying that Reagan was a tool... Michael Moore is the real tool.

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Yeah true that but when I file a claim they'll search the medical record of family and find this and disqualify me for lying on application, which they deny people everyday for.
I would like to know who told you this happens or how an insurance company is authorized to go rummaging through any random person's medical records, or how an insurance company would even know where any one person's medical records are in the world. You're sounding rather paranoid, yet you are advocating giving big brother control of this process.

I don't follow the issue of healthcare as closely as a lot of people here do, but even I'm getting the impression that you have some odd ideas about how the world world works and don't really really know what you're talking about.

Especially after the Reagan comment...

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yeah this was on the movie as well. Hes a tool.

:tonka:

I used that as my trolling line to see if you had any hope. I will now not waste my time in this thread.
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