Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > The Pub
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino

The Pub A friendly forum where everybody is nice, and will answer any questions you have about life.







Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old February 1st, 2008, 09:20 PM   #41
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Quote:
Originally Posted by J Truck Rick View Post
I trust you posted this on IFSJA........
Not yet, but I definitely plan to. I think the local support is what's really going to get some momentum going.
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 1st, 2008, 09:44 PM   #42
mudd_jumper
Senior Member
 
mudd_jumper's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-20-05
Location: Sterling Heights,MI
Posts: 5,112
iTrader: (9)
Sent !
mudd_jumper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2008, 11:09 AM   #43
sodapop
Support the Sport!
 
sodapop's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-11-05
Location: Harrison Twp, MI
Posts: 2,016
iTrader: (18)
Quote:
Originally Posted by sodapop on wcsx site
Sodapop Says:
You say, “It’s time to talk about the SIXTH Stone Soup Project - YOU’VE raised almost a million dollars for local charities in 5 years, and built five amazing one of a kind vehicles…”

I say, “What’s more one of a kind than a ‘65 Jeep Wagoneer. I love muscle cars as much as the next guy, but it’s been done. When was the last time you saw a chopped, blown, fire breathing waggy blow gas passed a mustang?

Get off the bandwagon and get on the DRAGONEER!
My message is waiting moderation! I wouldn't mind seeing it as a lowriding street crusher or a kick a$$ offroader either.
sodapop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2008, 12:09 PM   #44
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Good nickname. I was hoping we could avoid "Shagoneer". :tonka:

I appreciate all the posts made, but lets refrain from stupidity - such as the post referencing Cheech & Chong. For some reason, I suspect that was Mr. Green's doing.

I would also suggest that we refrain from doing battle with the opposition. That blog is not really indented to be used to respond directly to other comments. Positive support is what will win.
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2008, 01:14 PM   #45
BlooMule
pew pew
 
BlooMule's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: a mile from the shithole
Posts: 23,347
iTrader: (12)
commented, awaiting moderation....

"Go with the Wagoneer…

Make it a realistic off-roader, not one of those 80’s overkill monster with a dozen shocks on each corner…something that you could run the dunes or run to the grocery store…

Imagine, the winner could actually USE the Stone Soup Wagoneer, instead of having to tow it everywhere!"

As far as the condition the Waggy is currently in, it's far more complete than the scrap metal they've worked with before
__________________
-rw-rw-rw
BlooMule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2008, 01:36 PM   #46
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
I'm not all that confident that the idea of building it into a wheeler will be what gets it picked. This particular Wagoneer does not contain a drivetrain that is well-suited to that at all. It has a very heavy motor and a 3-speed manual on the column with a D27/53? combo. I think that a lot of things could be done with it, but that would require full gutting and the kinds of mods we'd do wouldn't really be backed by the Woodward crowd.

The market appeal of the vehicle back in 1965 was that of a 4wd family station wagon. Don't forget that the vehicle itself was concieved as a replacement for the Willys Utility Wagon. I think the "custom family cruiser" idea is really what is going to work best.
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2008, 01:42 PM   #47
BlooMule
pew pew
 
BlooMule's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: a mile from the shithole
Posts: 23,347
iTrader: (12)
That's really what I was getting at, but swap out the drivetrain for an EFI SBC and 4 speed automatic,

Something you could do light wheeling with.

Best description would be like having a classic Jeep Wagoneer with a late model Tahoe underneath.
__________________
-rw-rw-rw
BlooMule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2008, 01:51 PM   #48
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlooMule View Post
That's really what I was getting at, but swap out the drivetrain for an EFI SBC and 4 speed automatic,

Something you could do light wheeling with.

Best description would be like having a classic Jeep Wagoneer with a late model Tahoe underneath.
I think that the point is to avoid having something "like" something else. If you change the vehicle too much, it loses its appeal. Furthermore, if something like that were done, we'd not only lose all the support of the Jeep purists, but Chrysler would come nowhere near it and the possibility of them augmenting the raffle with a modern vehicle (like a Commander) as they have done in the past with the Charger would be lost.

The only modern suggestion I have liked so far is the Hemi idea, but I would have no real "say" as to how the buiild would go if they choose the Wagoneer. It would be 100% their ball game once it leaves my possession.
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2008, 02:27 PM   #49
BlooMule
pew pew
 
BlooMule's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: a mile from the shithole
Posts: 23,347
iTrader: (12)
How's this-
Classic stock body
Modern drivetrain (Howzabout the cummins diesel?)

Point is, as good as the AMC motor may have been, the Stone Soup projects are all about having the best of both worlds, not a resto.
__________________
-rw-rw-rw
BlooMule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2008, 02:31 PM   #50
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlooMule View Post
Point is, as good as the AMC motor may have been, the Stone Soup projects are all about having the best of both worlds, not a resto.
Which of them used another manufacturer's motor?

Both worlds = then vs. now, not bastardizing the vehicle with random manufactirer's parts. If the modern twist is the point, they can MPFI a 3rd-gen with an Air Gap manifold or just bolt on an aftermarket kit.

Personally, I think it would be quite impressive if they chose to duplicate the 327 that was stroked outto 418 years ago and perhaps inject that.

Last edited by PävementPounder; February 2nd, 2008 at 02:34 PM.
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2008, 03:54 PM   #51
BlooMule
pew pew
 
BlooMule's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: a mile from the shithole
Posts: 23,347
iTrader: (12)
I'll bet there are quite a few rigs here with "random manufacturer's parts"

The Waggy is a good starting point, but the drivetrain is not going to be popular. I mentioned SBC with EFI because you can get it new from GM, as well as the trans.

Direct Connection would work as well, HEMI, or the crate 360's....

Of course, you may be a bit too close to this vehicle, I know I purposely avoid looking at vehicles I've sold because I don't want to see what butchery was done.

Whatever they do, if it is chosen to be the Stone Soup project, it will definitely be finished and not rotting behind a garage
__________________
-rw-rw-rw
BlooMule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2008, 07:20 PM   #52
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlooMule View Post
I'll bet there are quite a few rigs here with "random manufacturer's parts"
What's that got to do with anything?


2006's 47 Dodge with the Buick motor didn't attract a vehicular donation from anybody else at all.
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 3rd, 2008, 12:22 AM   #53
BlooMule
pew pew
 
BlooMule's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: a mile from the shithole
Posts: 23,347
iTrader: (12)
Which of them used another manufacturer's motor?
2006's 47 Dodge with the Buick motor didn't attract a vehicular donation from anybody else at all.












Thank you
__________________
-rw-rw-rw
BlooMule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 3rd, 2008, 12:35 AM   #54
blownexploder94
Todd
 
blownexploder94's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-22-07
Location: South Lyon
Posts: 1,074
iTrader: (6)
Sent ... Good Luck
blownexploder94 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 3rd, 2008, 02:41 AM   #55
Guitardrumr
Senior Member
 
Guitardrumr's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-17-05
Location: Romulus, MI
Posts: 1,815
iTrader: (2)
Send a message via AIM to Guitardrumr
Quote:
As odd as it seems, the '65 Wagoneer would be truly awesome. Besides being a truly unique project (whichever direction you take it), parts support would be nearly unparalleled. The sheer number of Jeep guys here in Southeast Michigan is phenomenal, many if which would be wiling to donate parts for a Jeep project. Know this: if you build this, you have a nearly guaranteed support base from the local boards. Not only parts, but also for the tickets. With the Jeep, it's entirely possible you could make more for charity than any other single car you've done in the past, and that I, think, is the true win in this whole deal.
Added my comment to the blog.
Guitardrumr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 3rd, 2008, 03:20 AM   #56
boggin-machine
Senior Member
 
boggin-machine's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-11-06
Location: bay city
Posts: 11,627
iTrader: (31)
sent
__________________
08 qcsb Duramax Ltz
02 tj with some parts laying around **for sale**
08 crf 450 with a few goodies
boggin-machine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 3rd, 2008, 06:32 AM   #57
71jeepster
Glad I'm not Gay J. Hall!
 
71jeepster's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-26-06
Location: Kellogg, ID
Posts: 3,091
iTrader: (12)
Send a message via Yahoo to 71jeepster
when do they choose which one they are doing?
71jeepster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 3rd, 2008, 08:18 AM   #58
ScOoTeR
GLFWDA Member #07520
 
ScOoTeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-09-05
Location: Howell
Posts: 21,222
iTrader: (35)
Hay Spro,

How much boost have you seen an AMC motor run? I remember you teling me...
ScOoTeR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 3rd, 2008, 09:06 AM   #59
danimal
IS IT JEEPIN TIME
 
danimal's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-14-07
Location: saginaw michigan
Posts: 686
iTrader: (8)
way cool here's my 2 cents

I think you guys should really consider the Jeep Wagoneer because everyone likes something different. If you're honest with yourself, what gets the most attention at any car show or even any car magazine that we all read? It's always the guy that comes up with something really innovative and different. It's not always the car you would want for your own but all of us can appreciate the creativity and foresight to take something not in the mainstream and turn it into something so cool you just can't take your eyes off it and you just want to cruise it at least once. Example: Chip Foose and the TV show Overhaulin. THINK OUT SIDE THE BOX..Dan
danimal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 3rd, 2008, 09:48 AM   #60
PavementPounder
I am the law.
 
PavementPounder's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Birmingham, Michigan 48009
Posts: 29,824
iTrader: (224)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlooMule View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by PavementPounder
Which of them used another manufacturer's motor?
2006's 47 Dodge with the Buick motor didn't attract a vehicular donation from anybody else at all.
Thank you

Yeah, you're welcome. You think I made your point for you, but this is actually the point that negates your argument.

Although it was still a cool ride and came out very nicely, the Nailhead was not as successful as the GTO that came before it or the Charger that came after it because it was by itself and did not draw any OEM participation or additional vehicle donations. When you look at the big picture of raising the money, you shoot yourself in the foot by doing this. They pretty much didn't have a choice with the 47. Building the Dodge motor wasn't going to cut it for the hot rod community or the power levels that they would like to see. That's not going to be the case with an AMC motor.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ScOoTeR View Post
Hay Spro,

How much boost have you seen an AMC motor run? I remember you telling me...
All AMC motors are very boost-friendly. 327's are big-block Chevy sized castings with forged cranks and rods. Old-school racers that still run them have used over 20 lbs. There's some pretty cool shit out there that you can do with the older motors. Just have to dig around for it.

I believe that this site belongs to the Greg Taylor we know as "Amundaza" here on GL: http://www.wps.com/AMC/Rambler-327/T...20details).htm

This one showcases books on boosting by Dick Datson which have been mentioned many times on ISFJA and the AMC-List: http://www.gatorsuperchargers.net/books/books.htm

This one talks a little about the aluminum 327's that AMC started building for racing: http://www.geocities.com/mmbb444/page32.html
PavementPounder is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > The Pub
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:57 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2005 - 2012 Cracker Enterprises - Powered by Linux
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=
Page generated in 0.30473 seconds with 52 queries