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Old March 24th, 2006, 07:04 AM   #1
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----- Original Message -----
From: eBay Member: (zillerelectric)
To: tmiller@nj.rr.com
Sent: friday, March 23, 2006 1:13 AM
Subject: eBay Second Chance Offer sent you this eBay item: Generac Guardian 4390-3 15KW Home Standby Generator NR! (#7598342070)

eBay Logobymerchant sent you this eBay item


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*** eBay Second Chance Offer - Buy The Item You Recently Bid On - Notification Preferences indicates that you want to receive Second Chance Offer Notices. In compliance with eBay's Policy, the seller (zillerelectric) is making this Second Chance Offer to you at your last bid price of US $2,000.00. The seller has issued this Second Chance Offer because either the winning bidder was unable to complete the transaction or the seller has duplicate items for sale. If you accept this offer, you will be able to exchange Feedback with the seller and you will be eligible for eBay Services associated with a transaction, such as Fraud Protection. To purchase this Item just contact the seller at bymerchant@aol.com or by replying to this email. Respectfully , Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department) eBay Inc ***
click here to view this item on eBay
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Not only did this guy make up this email, but he forwarded it to me saying he would like to pay outside of ebay to save me money. It looks like a legit email, (the actual email is all pretty looking with ebay logos) . The guy even sent me $2000.00 to my paypal account. Unfortunetly for him, I am not an idiot.

These units sell all day for $2999.99. And I do NR auctions for them once a week, more as an advertising tool. This guy was one of the early bidders who bid $2000.00, and there were 8 bidders after him. This guy thinks I am a moron.

at 8:00am, I'm contacting my lawyer to see if we can keep this money, or if I am going to have to send it back.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 07:06 AM   #2
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Uhhh fukc it. Keep the money. Kill the paypal account. and enjoy it
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Old March 24th, 2006, 07:15 AM   #3
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Uhhh fukc it. Keep the money. Kill the paypal account. and enjoy it

Umm, :tonka: I do not want to go to jail.

$2000.00 is not enough for me to move out of the country.

Now if it was 2300, or 2400, then I might
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Old March 24th, 2006, 07:39 AM   #4
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2400 is all it will take?

Im starting a fundraiser then!
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Old March 24th, 2006, 07:43 AM   #5
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money, what money?? :tonka:
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Old March 24th, 2006, 07:52 AM   #6
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I click "view full e-mail headers" on each and every e-mail that relates to anything regarding my personal information, and/or financial information.

even then, if there is a link in the e-mail, I hover over it, and then manually type in the url in a web browser.

the phishers are getting more and more clever - with unicode font support in browsers they can do some amazingly clever things with e-mail these days.

I've been seeing a ton of phishing spam lately coming from hong kong registered domains, as well as ironically, hungary.

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Old March 24th, 2006, 07:59 AM   #7
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Of course you have to give it back to him, but I'd give you credit for trying to keep it. lol!
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Old March 24th, 2006, 08:14 AM   #8
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one of the very big reasons I can't stand paypal -I'm willing to bet that your paypal account will be frozen when he contests the action - even if it's only for a day (more than likely much more) it's an inconvenience that I simply can not stand.

I wonder if you were to actually attempt to withdraw the money, you will find that perhaps it never really cleared? or was deposited with funds from a stolen credit card?

It very well could be more of an offer to get you to return money that was never rightfully, or legally put into your account, and thus wasn't there in the first place.

There have been enough paypal horror stories that I simply will not use their service.

Good luck with this asshat Kelly, I hope I'm wrong.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 08:18 AM   #9
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well its 8:18. what did you find out? you got more cash for some new tires for the jeep or what
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Old March 24th, 2006, 09:49 AM   #10
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I know if you recieve products in the mail (like a trial CD or and Extra CD in a package as an example) they are deemed gifts and you can keep whatever you get sent (if you want). Maybe the 2K will turn out the same way.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 09:51 AM   #11
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Id just give him the cash back, I bet with paypal and ebay things could get worst, I mean like the hassle
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Old March 24th, 2006, 11:45 AM   #12
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no contract was ever formed (i.e. you were never given consideration from the offeror) therefore no contract of sale can be enforced.
Plus he fruadulently tried to form a contract, and therefore the contract is void and unenforcable no matter what.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 11:54 AM   #13
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can i please have my money back? purdy please???
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Old March 24th, 2006, 02:38 PM   #14
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yeah, i have noticed alot of phishing with fake ebay mail. it's a good thing my brain truama isn't that bad.
just my input.
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no contract was ever formed (i.e. you were never given consideration from the offeror) therefore no contract of sale can be enforced.
Plus he fruadulently tried to form a contract, and therefore the contract is void and unenforcable no matter what.
You are correct on your contract law, but if he files a dispute with paypal, he will get his money back most likely.
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Old March 25th, 2006, 12:48 PM   #16
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You are correct on your contract law, but if he files a dispute with paypal, he will get his money back most likely.
Yep. But the sh*tty part is that because you were the "seller" and had money sent to you, you'll end up loosing money when you send it back. Because for every $2000 you recieve, only $19** goes to your paypal account, the rest goes to paypal. You'll have to send him $2000 back, not $19**.

(happened to me once before)
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Old March 25th, 2006, 12:57 PM   #17
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Yep. But the sh*tty part is that because you were the "seller" and had money sent to you, you'll end up loosing money when you send it back. Because for every $2000 you recieve, only $19** goes to your paypal account, the rest goes to paypal. You'll have to send him $2000 back, not $19**.

(happened to me once before)
Is it the same, though, with a refund, vs a return payment?
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Old March 25th, 2006, 01:05 PM   #18
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tell him sorry no deal !!!! (no pun intinded) that you can't refound his money
only in store credit...:tonka: :tonka:
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