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Old January 30th, 2008, 01:58 PM   #41
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Consumers and DTE own quite a bit of their own property for the high tension transmission lines, said property, if not leased back for alternative purposes would obviously be illegal for wheeling.

that being said, Consumers and DTE also own only easement rights for their transmission lines in many other areas. these are, much like other forms of easements, only a portion of ownership of the property. the land owner still retains certain uninfringeable rights that the power company couldn't force the owner to give up, and/or that the local government specifically may restrict through its police powers, ordinances, and such. any other restriction by government is a form of 'taking' under the powers of eminent domain (and sometimes zoning is construed as such as well) and must be compensated to the owners for.

in a nutshell, no, it's not the truth to make a blanket statement that wheeling on lands where power lines run overhead is patently illegal.

you will however still find if I recall correctly, that it is a violation of every building code in the US to put a swimming pool under them, but that doesn't stop everyone

While I agree with your description and that we can't make a blanket statement but........... as described by many, the property where powerlines cross is either owned or leased by the power companies and/or is on private property. So, unless you have written permission to be on the proplerty, you are trespassing, which last time I heard, is illegal.

If it is not on private land that you have written permission to be on, then it is state or federal land. Now, we get back to the 2wd law.

So, unless you want to get into some rare cases, I think it is pretty safe to make a blanket statement that wheeling on powerlines is illegal.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 02:15 PM   #42
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Not really all that "hard". The guys were just pointing out that the pic of the hill on the powerline is illegal and can result in a ticket.

It's illegal for 2 reasons. First, as said before, you can't drive there in 2wd. Second, all powerlines are off limits in Michigan. Sorry but it's the truth.

I see you sport a GLFWDA sticker and in your sig. With that said, you aren't helping the sport by posting pics to the DNR that GLFWDA members trespass.

1.........FALSE I have seen 2 wheel drive street legal buggys take that same hill

2........FALSE I have 2 different sets of transmission lines in my county's R.O.W that consumers power has no legal easement for.


It all comes down to a case by case issue.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 02:35 PM   #43
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So everyone truly knows and I know its not the place but the "Three sisters hill" is owned by a man who hates anything with four wheels. Last year I took my four wheeler up there since we own property across the street on the private road and he came out and explained to me not to do it again he was kind about it at least. Just my .02
now this could make the "Three sisters hill " illegal if this cat truly does own it
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Old January 30th, 2008, 07:01 PM   #44
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Thanks for the explanation. I do automatically assume that a powerline is off limits, because most of the time they are going to be, but I knew the blanket statement wasn't 100% true.
Often times, this way of thinking saves you from a hefty fine.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 07:06 PM   #45
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1.........FALSE I have seen 2 wheel drive street legal buggys take that same hill

2........FALSE I have 2 different sets of transmission lines in my county's R.O.W that consumers power has no legal easement for.


It all comes down to a case by case issue.
A dune buggy is not a 'conventional' 2wd vehicle, or at least a CO probably would argue it isn't.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 07:54 PM   #46
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There is a video on liveleak.com of Travis Pastrana hitting the deer that DNF'd him on the final stage of Sno*Drift '08. I would post a link but I am at work and can't get to it at work.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 07:56 PM   #47
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There is a video on liveleak.com of Travis Pastrana hitting the deer that DNF'd him on the final stage of Sno*Drift '08. I would post a link but I am at work and can't get to it at work.
I posted it earlier today look about ten threads down
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Old January 30th, 2008, 09:11 PM   #48
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Honestly much of the time I avoid the spectator points and find other ways in myself. I can't stand fighting for space with other people especially some of the idiots. At some of the major spectator points you can't even get a decent spot unless you camp out there way early and miss the previous stage. then with all the other cars some can be a a clusterfuck. I have plenty of motor sports experience in order to pick a safe spot though, and I make sure I am well out of sight when the safety sweep goes through to make sure I don't cause any trouble.


Plus I just like cleaner backgrounds for my pictures like these below instead of a background full of green vests
http://www.electronicfiles.net/files/291/DSC_7953.jpg
http://www.electronicfiles.net/files/291/DSC_8295.jpg

I understand your point, and I have wanted to do the same, but the fact is if /when you get seen.... you may very well ruin a stage for every one else
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Old January 30th, 2008, 09:43 PM   #49
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So everyone truly knows and I know its not the place but the "Three sisters hill" is owned by a man who hates anything with four wheels. Last year I took my four wheeler up there since we own property across the street on the private road and he came out and explained to me not to do it again he was kind about it at least. Just my .02
ok well i hate to keep this going BUT

i messed around on that hill for at least a half a hour

when i did finally make it to the top i turned around to see this



two other trucks stopped to watch me.

nobody told me to go away. when i got back down the guy on the left got out of his truck and came up to me and asked me what i had done to my truck.
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ummm because to other trucks stop to watch you that adds to teh credability of a legal or non legal wheeling site?
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Old January 30th, 2008, 09:56 PM   #51
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i dont get it?

so the little ranger made it farther then the toyota and the guy in the chevy wouldnt even attempt it.

i guess you had to be there.

maybe thats it. you guys "wish" you would have been there.

i am done with this silly argument.

seems that maybe "you" people should spend more of your negative energy towards making things like this "legal"
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Old January 30th, 2008, 10:21 PM   #52
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seems that maybe "you" people should spend more of your negative energy towards making things like this "legal"

Almost all of the people that called out the illegal wheeling, are members of GLFWDA. And have done more to help preserve this sport and the trails we have in Michigan, than you could probably ever dream of.

It's people like "you" who have gone out and ruined all the hard work that "they" have done to keep areas open for "legal" wheeling... Nobody was picking on you, well until the obvious. Now you have just dug yourself a huge hole.
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Old January 30th, 2008, 11:16 PM   #53
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i dont get it?

so the little ranger made it farther then the toyota and the guy in the chevy wouldnt even attempt it.

i guess you had to be there.

maybe thats it. you guys "wish" you would have been there.

i am done with this silly argument.

seems that maybe "you" people should spend more of your negative energy towards making things like this "legal"


04 EDGE = douchebag
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Old January 31st, 2008, 07:27 AM   #54
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i dont get it?

so the little ranger made it farther then the toyota and the guy in the chevy wouldnt even attempt it.

i guess you had to be there.

maybe thats it. you guys "wish" you would have been there.

i am done with this silly argument.

seems that maybe "you" people should spend more of your negative energy towards making things like this "legal"





Well you got that one right!!!!!

it is never any fun finding out that you are part of the problem with something like wheeling

It feels like everyone everyone just jumped in your shit. Right
take this and learn from it ask all the questions you want. you will get a better responce if you refrain from attacking others on this form. I know this I have :stan3: in alot of Wheaties around here


most of these old bastards on this page know what they are talking about becuse they are the reson we are in the shape that we are in. they are the ones that f!!!ed things up for us back when we were in diapers but now we are forced to deal with it learn the laws and find the loop holes.
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