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Old January 10th, 2008, 02:04 PM   #121
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I was up in the Soo yesterday and bought my 1st Car and Driver magazine.
That was a 1st. Anyway.. upon closer inspection of the various pictures, I did notice the photo lining up all the cars.. along what appears to be shore line was actually taken inside the Quarry next to one of the shallow run off ponds. If you look close, you can see the rock wall behind the cars. I had been thinking the ground under the cars looked way to flat to be shore line on the lake..Once I saw the magazine picture,, I understood why.

As to the rest of the pics showing the lake background .. well, those were not good. Even the two on private property in the sand in front of the boat house. The really troublesome shot is the one showing another large group of test rides setting on the rocky shore...

Still, it really doesn't matter where all the pictures were taken... its what the images imply.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 05:56 AM   #122
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Still, it really doesn't matter where all the pictures were taken... its what the images imply.
Exactly.
Any repercussions / comments from Pat up there?
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Old January 11th, 2008, 12:28 PM   #123
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I can't add a lot. Just this,, the Local DNR Unit Manger was not aware of the C&D event/photo shoot. I do know he expressed a fair degree of interest in obtaining the magazine.. and said; if he believed, after viewing the photos, that the issue needed to be passed along to Law Enforcement, he would do so.

I can also state from past experience, he doesn't care to blind sided by questionable activity occurring in his unit. While he has tried to help the 4x4 community when he can, Pat Hallfrisch is a stickler for abiding by the rules and the regulations. At this juncture, thats the best I can tell you.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 01:31 PM   #124
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I think the picture of the ford shows it going down marble head stair steps. I really cant tell though, if it is than that is clearly illegal.
Not Marblehead. That Ford Escape would not be able to make it on those steps.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 02:43 PM   #125
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Not Marblehead. That Ford Escape would not be able to make it on those steps.
x2. That is more than likely someones driveway or the road into Turtle Ridge than marble head.
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Old January 20th, 2008, 06:07 PM   #126
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This is what I sent... Has anyone heard back from their letters?

Dear Editor(s),

I would like to voice my concern over the pictures you show in the recent magazine article on the $25,000 soft roaders. Many of these pictures show wheeling that appears to be illegal in the state of Michigan. Our trails in this state have been getting closed for years because of the uninformed, irresponsible wheelers out there. Though they are the minority it is hurting those of us fighting to keep our trails open, especially those trails that actually need four wheel drive in this state. Now I pick up Car and Driver only to see what appears to be illegal wheeling across the pages. This encourages people new to the hobby to try and do the same when they visit our state, and is very irresponsible.

Driving on beaches and in closed areas while fun and making for a good photo is not legal here. As an avid enthusiast that helps fight to keep our trails open it horrifies me that these pictures have made it into a national publication. This puts the offending pictures out nationally so we have to fight even more people from trying to close what little land we have left to utilize. If you had a guide, I would encourage you to research who you are hiring to guide you a little better, and ensure they have the credentials and knowledge to take you around the area that you would like to go. While Michigan is supposedly a recreation state, it is already very unfriendly toward the ORV/OHV crowd, please in the future do not give them more reasons to continue in that direction. I would like to be able to take my children out on the trails with my old Willys or even my YJ. The way things are already heading this may not be a possibility in the future. I would encourage you to print a retraction, or some sort of article explaining that you do not encourage illegal wheeling, nor do you condone your own actions. I would also encourage you to point readers toward the Tread Lightly organization, United Four Wheel Drive Association, Great Lakes Four Wheel Drive Association, or the Blue Ribbon Coalition as a place to see how to properly use their ORV's/OHV's out on the trails.

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Old January 20th, 2008, 08:16 PM   #127
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Nope, never heard a peep.
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Old January 21st, 2008, 05:14 AM   #128
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Old January 21st, 2008, 12:27 PM   #129
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I will keep an eye out for a published letter.
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Old January 21st, 2008, 12:28 PM   #130
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I will keep an eye out for a published letter.
That's probably what will happen.
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Old January 22nd, 2008, 08:52 PM   #132
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Old January 26th, 2008, 06:21 PM   #133
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I did get a reply to a question I asked the other day.

One of the guys up here asked me a day or so ago if I had heard from the DNR about the C&D article. Since I've been wanting to talk to Pat Hallfrisch about how the ORV route progress for the Island was going, I decided to give him a call and brought up the C&D topic as well. We talked for abit... but later in the afternoon, I found he sent me this email. I've been meaning to post it, this is the 1st chance I've had.

I'm not sure how copy in a e-mail, if it ain't right..so be it.
The e-mail was sent to me,, with copies going to Kyle Publiski (Local CO), Michael Paluda (Pats' Dept Head) and Walter Binder (CO, Kyle's SGT)

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{"Thanks for inquiring about the apparent "event" Car and Driver Magazine held on Drummond last fall and published an article on in their February issue. Not sure if you were inquiring as an individual or as President of the DI ORV Club but either way the following is the digested version of what I found out when I checked with Sgt. Binder. Apparently this is an ongoing investigation but as you might expect he cannot give me much more information until the details of the matter are looked into and decisions on what to do with facts are made. Having only one field officer on the east end the investigation may take a while to be completed. One thing I have been assured of and I am happy to report to you, is that this issue will not be dropped. An investigation WILL occur. From my experience you can take that to the bank so to speak.

All of us involved with this situation are aware there are many individuals and several organizations that are very interested in the disposition of this matter so if you have further questions I will be happy to address what I can. Also, any info you may have that would help the officers with their investigation would be most appreciated I am sure. Pat



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So, as far as the DNR is concerned, they have not dropped the subject. I'm thinking the general thought is: What applies to one Group applies to everyone... ORV Event polices are defined and so are ORV regulations.
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Old January 26th, 2008, 08:03 PM   #134
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It doesn't matter. Do you really think C&D will let it get very far? They will just pay off the DNR/State Of MI when and if they need to and maybe do a little article about it and all will be good.


Organizations with lots of money don't worry about small legal fees when they can get a great photo shoot, that's how the world works.
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It doesn't matter. Do you really think C&D will let it get very far? They will just pay off the DNR/State Of MI when and if they need to and maybe do a little article about it and all will be good.


Organizations with lots of money don't worry about small legal fees when they can get a great photo shoot, that's how the world works.
At least if they do that, its a good thing. An article addressing illegal wheeling in C/D is a plus.

I'm not sure what else could happen, even if they are fined, its "paying off the state"

I don't think anybody will go to jail over this

It would be great to see an appology
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At least if they do that, its a good thing. An article addressing illegal wheeling in C/D is a plus.

I'm not sure what else could happen, even if they are fined, its "paying off the state"

I don't think anybody will go to jail over this

It would be great to see an appology
It'll be something like, "yeah, we shouldn't have done it but didn't the SUV's look good sitting there, now lets talk about why we shouldn't have done it"

An assbackward apology but if that went along with an article which could be insightful to non-wheelers that mine be interested in the sport and might care to do the right thing I would be all for it. .
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I didn't spot anything in a quick glance of my March issue of C&D I received today.
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I didn't spot anything in a quick glance of my March issue of C&D I received today.
I think magazines run at least 2 (maybe 4) months in advance = whatever you read today was completed quite awhile back. If you see anything, it won't be for at least another issue or 2....
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Ding, Ding, Ding........Steve Spence just replied to me. I need to dig out the DNR rules and fire it back to him. Here's his letter:
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James Mazzola

You write, "Besides violating numerous state laws with regard to being in the water with the vehicles and driving on closed trails. . ." Exactly what law or regulation do you allege that we were in violation of? If we cannot "just drive right out on to the rocky beach or down any forest road," would it not seem plausible that the authorities would post signs to that effect? And you're saying if a DNR official had come upon us he would have cited us "thousands of dollars"? Exactly for what?

Steve Spence, Managing Editor, Car and Driver

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hahaha, looks like you might get his attention with some DNR stuff.

Don't forget the conventional 2wd stuff. BTW, how many people did they have? 20 or more?
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