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Old January 21st, 2008, 12:23 PM   #41
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Oh, forgot to mention that things like this help keep people coming to places like this, bringing money to the owners, helping keep places like this available for EVERYONE to come wheel. I pitch in some extra cash beyond the daily fees to the owners when doing these weekend packages in thanks for their hospitality.
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Old January 21st, 2008, 12:27 PM   #42
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Yep...always great to help keep places open. I'm sure the owners appreciate your help too. I've never been to this property before, but I have made several trips to Canada. Looks like a sweet place to wheel!
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Wow Grizzy, I kind of figured this statement from you was pretty friggin arrogant right off the get go:

"For all you flatlander web wheelers with everything from the Poison Spyder catalog and high pinion custom D60s bolted to your TJ..... "

and this one:

"is really suppose to work on something other than pot holes and expansion joints on Van Dyke or I-75,"

and this one: (what the hell does where anyone live have to do with their experience?

"Now I have talked to many from the lower half of the state and noticed a "fear and apprehension""



The above statements made you pretty much come across as the god of wheeling. I just asked what it costs. Regarding me and my rig, I've wheeled a few places over the past 32 years that I've been wheeling. I have also introduced more people than you would care to imagine to wheeling and sure, there are those that probably don't like me but ask around and see how many will tell you that I belittle anyone with statements like you just made. If you have wheeled Charlene's as much as you say, then you probably know Steve Hanna. Ask him about me. Have I wheeled at Charlene's? I was at the Loonie run this year for about an hour. Folks standing around drinking beer & wheeling at the same time isn't my cup of tea.

By the way, did you happen to notice who started this thread?

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T-Way: I couldn't agree more. No one NEEDS someone to teach them anything about wheeling. No one needs to pay for it either. These weekend packages were opened up for those that don't want to compete for position during Loonie Run when there are dozens of rigs all over the place. Like someone mentioned earlier, small groups of capable rigs. Someone would look at being with 4-8 other rigs on one of these weekends. This allows plenty of one on one time, as well as no worries of holding up others. It also allows for time to focus on what other people are doing and learning from that.

I won't deny that you could do all this on your own. I just took the time to organize the hassle of figuring out some of the other parts of a trip like that(i.e. rooms, directions, contacts, some food, knowing where to go.......blah blah blah)
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Whiterhino- seeing as you appear to be king wheeler, this offering isn't for you or up your ally. Since you want to be an ass about it, then leave it alone for those that COULD use the help and experience to further their wheeling abilities. At no point was it stated that " this is the only place I can learn to wheel along with your expertise?" Not everyone has your natural born master wheeling skills to conquer 4+ rated trails and ascend hills and rock faces others would run away crying from. And seeing as you have OBVIOUSLY wheeled up Ridge Run without winching, made it through the toughest lines on Rock and Roll, and climbed to the very top of the run starting at the Stairway to Hell without anyones help........then go ahead and keep yourself on your pedestal and forget the other less talented wheelers out here.

There are a lot of people out there that have no clue how to tackle this kind of terrain without destroying their equipment. There are a lot of wheelers that don't know how to pick out a good line on 100 ft of boulders. And more than anything else, there's lot's of wheelers out there that are afraid to take that next step to further their abilities due to assholes who will make fun of them instead of helping them learn what to do to succeed. If you don't need that, then go by yourself. If someone wants someone to help guide them into places and trails they would have never thought of trying themselves, then this if for them.

Whiterhino: If something doesn't apply to you, then let it be and don't knock it just because you feel you are better than what it offers. Just by your comments here I'm certain that you have offended some and turned others away from doing such a weekend that could be the time of their lives and a great experience. Way to be considerate of others....
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I have wheeled this place, when it is raining it almost takes an act of god to make it up the water falls, great wheeling.
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...I, with the help of a couple of the other Welfare Wheelers, offer weekend packages to go up to Canada and Charlene's property. Included in the price is your entry fees for two days to the park, hotel room just a few miles away, breakfast each morning, and personally guided by myself and others who are VERY familiar with the terrain and have wheeled it for years. If you are lucky........you might even get some one on one time with the infamous "Curly." We will help guide you through some of the hardest and most difficult trails you have ever seem. I guarantee the words, "We're going to drive up that!!!???" will cross you lips at least once:-) You will come away with a new found respect and heightened driver abilities. TRUST ME!!!
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Oh, yes this is the property that just graced the pages of Petersen's this past issue. I actually took the writer up there with me and flopped my Jeep on his side just 5 minutes into one of our first trails. HARDCORE!

So, what I got out of this is that I can pay you to teach me to be "HARDCORE!" by flopping my Jeep on it's side within 5 minutes of entering a trail.



I'll pass, thanks.

Besides, I don't have Dana 60s.
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T-Way: I couldn't agree more. No one NEEDS someone to teach them anything about wheeling. No one needs to pay for it either. These weekend packages were opened up for those that don't want to compete for position during Loonie Run when there are dozens of rigs all over the place. Like someone mentioned earlier, small groups of capable rigs. Someone would look at being with 4-8 other rigs on one of these weekends. This allows plenty of one on one time, as well as no worries of holding up others. It also allows for time to focus on what other people are doing and learning from that.

I won't deny that you could do all this on your own. I just took the time to organize the hassle of figuring out some of the other parts of a trip like that(i.e. rooms, directions, contacts, some food, knowing where to go.......blah blah blah)

Well your my hero, I have no clue how to find my own way north, let alone a hotel room. I'll just take my long arm bolted on suspension down to the Kmart parking lot and climb snow banks.




Wait a minute, I have leaf springs, I thought you were talking to me, never mind.

Leave him alone Jim, cant you see he's just trying to help.
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To bad of what happen to this post. Kinda like a turd floating and spinning in the toilet right before it gets flushed down the drain.
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Whiterhino: Of course I know Steve H. He is a living legend up here in the north country. Seeing as we are both veteran wheelers there is no reason for us to be battling words. As for some of the comment made, you know who I am referring too. You obviously wheel your rig, so it doesn't apply to you. But you, as well as I, have seen and met plenty of people that have what I described and their rig never sees anything more than a two track. And people displaying fear of hardcore wheeling wasn't a dig, it was an observation I have seen over and over throughout the years. I was actually very surprised by the way people would shy away and pull back for the ideas of wheeling terrain like Charlene's property. To be honest, it amazed me. Now I know not everyone wants to wheel that kind of terrain, but you'd think someone with a Jeep sitting on D60 and 38" or 40" tires would want to do more with their rig than run up and down the dunes or roam around two tracks that never change elevation more than 100 ft.

I did take note that you started this thread and thought it was great that someone else was helping to promote that area. What do you say instead of duking it out on the web, we get together and wheel the hell out of Charlene's property this fall and have a great time doing it? I'm a lover(of wheelin), not a fighter. There's no point in two people who love doing the same things to be at odds.
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T-Way: I couldn't agree more. No one NEEDS someone to teach them anything about wheeling. No one needs to pay for it either. These weekend packages were opened up for those that don't want to compete for position during Loonie Run when there are dozens of rigs all over the place. Like someone mentioned earlier, small groups of capable rigs. Someone would look at being with 4-8 other rigs on one of these weekends. This allows plenty of one on one time, as well as no worries of holding up others. It also allows for time to focus on what other people are doing and learning from that.

I won't deny that you could do all this on your own. I just took the time to organize the hassle of figuring out some of the other parts of a trip like that(i.e. rooms, directions, contacts, some food, knowing where to go.......blah blah blah)

BTW, I agree with this 100%. I don't have a problem with you promoting a business venture or the offer to teach someone the right way to wheel and to understand their vehicle's capabilities. I'm just flat out saying that I thought you came across quite pompous.

Once again note, it was me who started this thread and has supported it. Also as you noted about small, capable groups, you were quoting me also.

I am not the god of wheeling, I just think you could have promoted yourself a little more professionally.
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Whiterhino: Of course I know Steve H. He is a living legend up here in the north country. Seeing as we are both veteran wheelers there is no reason for us to be battling words. As for some of the comment made, you know who I am referring too. You obviously wheel your rig, so it doesn't apply to you. But you, as well as I, have seen and met plenty of people that have what I described and their rig never sees anything more than a two track. And people displaying fear of hardcore wheeling wasn't a dig, it was an observation I have seen over and over throughout the years. I was actually very surprised by the way people would shy away and pull back for the ideas of wheeling terrain like Charlene's property. To be honest, it amazed me. Now I know not everyone wants to wheel that kind of terrain, but you'd think someone with a Jeep sitting on D60 and 38" or 40" tires would want to do more with their rig than run up and down the dunes or roam around two tracks that never change elevation more than 100 ft.

I did take note that you started this thread and thought it was great that someone else was helping to promote that area. What do you say instead of duking it out on the web, we get together and wheel the hell out of Charlene's property this fall and have a great time doing it? I'm a lover(of wheelin), not a fighter. There's no point in two people who love doing the same things to be at odds.
who gives two shits less how someone else uses their rig? I know I don't, otherwise I wouldnt be friends with some of the people around here.
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Whiterhino: Of course I know Steve H. He is a living legend up here in the north country. Seeing as we are both veteran wheelers there is no reason for us to be battling words. As for some of the comment made, you know who I am referring too. You obviously wheel your rig, so it doesn't apply to you. But you, as well as I, have seen and met plenty of people that have what I described and their rig never sees anything more than a two track. And people displaying fear of hardcore wheeling wasn't a dig, it was an observation I have seen over and over throughout the years. I was actually very surprised by the way people would shy away and pull back for the ideas of wheeling terrain like Charlene's property. To be honest, it amazed me. Now I know not everyone wants to wheel that kind of terrain, but you'd think someone with a Jeep sitting on D60 and 38" or 40" tires would want to do more with their rig than run up and down the dunes or roam around two tracks that never change elevation more than 100 ft.

I did take note that you started this thread and thought it was great that someone else was helping to promote that area. What do you say instead of duking it out on the web, we get together and wheel the hell out of Charlene's property this fall and have a great time doing it? I'm a lover(of wheelin), not a fighter. There's no point in two people who love doing the same things to be at odds.
You are right, there are a lot of nice rigs who never see any action and for a newbie going to Charlene's, an experienced spotter is a good thing.

Nuff said and I'll take you up on the offer. (we'll just leave the beer for the campfire)

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