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Old December 28th, 2007, 06:26 PM   #21
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Place looks sweet. Does anyone have any plans or dates on going? I would like to check this place out.
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Old December 31st, 2007, 01:44 PM   #22
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is there a posibillity of a newer glfwda sanctioned run here, or is it just too hard for the average rig?

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Old December 31st, 2007, 02:20 PM   #23
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NO for 3 reasons.
1) you are right, way to rugged for the average rig.
2) GLFWDA sanctioned runs have to do with insurance/permit coverage. No insurance/permit required here.
3) It's private property.

Not trying to be a jerk here but I would only go with a small, well equipped group.

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Old December 31st, 2007, 04:17 PM   #24
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I would only go with a small, well equipped group.
x2 This property would eat not so equipped vehicles very quickly.

in '03 it was eating rigs on 38 and bigger for the loonie run.
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Old December 31st, 2007, 11:06 PM   #25
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Wrong Prop. Uproctoy But There Is Trails There Were A 33 Locked One End Can Do Just Not First Thing In The Spring Or Late In The Fall ,ya When You Where There Last Whiterhino We Got That Brutal Rain Storm But In July And Aug. A 33 Can Run And Have A Blast There Is A Couple Of Trails For The Lighter Duty Rig I Just Don't Run Them.i Have Guys Come Up With 33 And 35 And Wheel All Summer Long (the Dry Season).and We Do Have Alot Of Bypasses Best Thing Is Come In See
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Old December 31st, 2007, 11:26 PM   #26
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basicaly what you are trying to say is that 37's can barely get around in the rain but 37's will be on the hardest stuff while it is dry..... right?
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Old January 1st, 2008, 06:37 AM   #27
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basicaly what you are trying to say is that 37's can barely get around in the rain but 37's will be on the hardest stuff while it is dry..... right?
I could see where that would be true.
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i have a buddie that comes up on 36 irocs locked fr and rr and does real good but on the loonie run everybody was winching just depends on the weather
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For everyone ........ This property will change your life! If you want to test the limits of you and your rig, come to Canada with us. Me, Q Custom, and many of the other Williamsburg Welfare Wheelers go up here numerous times a year.(spring, early summer, late summer, Loonie Run) It's worth the drive and you will not be disappointed.

For all you flatlander web wheelers with everything from the Poison Spyder catalog and high pinion custom D60s bolted to your TJ..... Wheelin Canada and Charlene's property will "learn ya" REAL fast on how to wheel your rig. If you want to learn how that long arm suspension (on which you guys spent THOUSANDS) is really suppose to work on something other than pot holes and expansion joints on Van Dyke or I-75, then get your ass up to this property. After wheelin up here you will NEVER look at wheelin the same. Dunes, Pig Gig, Mounds????? They will be a bore after this place.

Now I have talked to many from the lower half of the state and noticed a "fear and apprehension" about running trails this hard. Rightfully so, I was scared the first time I went up there years ago. But being a teacher of sorts, I have felt the need to educate the less experienced. I, with the help of a couple of the other Welfare Wheelers, offer weekend packages to go up to Canada and Charlene's property. Included in the price is your entry fees for two days to the park, hotel room just a few miles away, breakfast each morning, and personally guided by myself and others who are VERY familiar with the terrain and have wheeled it for years. If you are lucky........you might even get some one on one time with the infamous "Curly." We will help guide you through some of the hardest and most difficult trails you have ever seem. I guarantee the words, "We're going to drive up that!!!???" will cross you lips at least once:-) You will come away with a new found respect and heightened driver abilities. TRUST ME!!!

To top it all off, you will meet some of the nicest people in the world. Our Canadian friends up there are very generous and friendlier than you could ever imagine. They can be rough around the edges, but people you would definitely want as friends. That's why I go back every year as many times as I can.
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Oh, yes this is the property that just graced the pages of Petersen's this past issue. I actually took the writer up there with me and flopped my Jeep on his side just 5 minutes into one of our first trails. HARDCORE!
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So what you are saying is that you will offer us guided trips on 120 acres?
And for those of us that live in lower Michigan who have wheeled lots of other places, this is the only place I can learn to wheel along with your expertise?

Pray tell, how much will this expertise and enlightening experience cost me?
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So what you are saying is that you will offer us guided trips on 120 acres?
And for those of us that live in lower Michigan who have wheeled lots of other places, this is the only place I can learn to wheel along with your expertise?

Pray tell, how much will this expertise and enlightening experience cost me?
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Old January 21st, 2008, 10:52 AM   #33
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Hmmn....I've been on lots of "guided trips" with WhiteRhino and friends in Canada that I never paid them for!!!!!

Jim.....the check's in the mail!!! Thanks for the good times!!

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Hmmn....I've been on lots of "guided trips" with WhiteRhino and friends in Canada that I never paid them for!!!!!

Jim.....the check's in the mail!!! Thanks for the good times!!

I've went on two guided tours with whiterhino, and both times his jeep broke.

I'm happy I didn't pay
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Hmmn....I've been on lots of "guided trips" with WhiteRhino and friends in Canada that I never paid them for!!!!!

Jim.....the check's in the mail!!! Thanks for the good times!!

There's alot of people who owe you some money to then T-way! Lets say we just call it even and head back to Canada sometime soon
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I've went on two guided tours with whiterhino, and both times his jeep broke.

I'm happy I didn't pay
scuze me?
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Old January 21st, 2008, 11:46 AM   #37
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scuze me?
yeah, at the mounds when you assploded your engine, and at your house when I was going for a ride with your new engine and you assploded your t-case
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Whiterhino- seeing as you appear to be king wheeler, this offering isn't for you or up your ally. Since you want to be an ass about it, then leave it alone for those that COULD use the help and experience to further their wheeling abilities. At no point was it stated that " this is the only place I can learn to wheel along with your expertise?" Not everyone has your natural born master wheeling skills to conquer 4+ rated trails and ascend hills and rock faces others would run away crying from. And seeing as you have OBVIOUSLY wheeled up Ridge Run without winching, made it through the toughest lines on Rock and Roll, and climbed to the very top of the run starting at the Stairway to Hell without anyones help........then go ahead and keep yourself on your pedestal and forget the other less talented wheelers out here.

There are a lot of people out there that have no clue how to tackle this kind of terrain without destroying their equipment. There are a lot of wheelers that don't know how to pick out a good line on 100 ft of boulders. And more than anything else, there's lot's of wheelers out there that are afraid to take that next step to further their abilities due to assholes who will make fun of them instead of helping them learn what to do to succeed. If you don't need that, then go by yourself. If someone wants someone to help guide them into places and trails they would have never thought of trying themselves, then this if for them.

Whiterhino: If something doesn't apply to you, then let it be and don't knock it just because you feel you are better than what it offers. Just by your comments here I'm certain that you have offended some and turned others away from doing such a weekend that could be the time of their lives and a great experience. Way to be considerate of others....
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yeah, at the mounds when you assploded your engine, and at your house when I was going for a ride with your new engine and you assploded your t-case
I call BS on the mounds. You saw me be the only one to get thru that mud hole all day and I (along with shotgun silverxj) was the first vehicle to finish all the check points. It drove into the trailer under it's own power.

Now the high quality NP231 is another thing.
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In WhiteRhinos defense (not that he really needs any....he is quite capable of taking care of himself).....he was just poking fun.

And for the record, there are a bunch of people here (Ironman, WhiteRhino, 95Geo, etc.) that all feel the EXACT same way that you do about helping newbies learn how to wheel! Heck....I'm no "master wheeler", but helping others learn technique and what their rig will do is one of my favorite things about wheeling!!!

The difference is.....none of us will charge anyone for that "expertise". They are welcome to wheel with us any time! If you want to charge for your expertise, I don't think anyone will fault you for that (I'm certainly not).

I think WR was just poking a little fun, and implying that he managed to learn what he knows without paying someone else to teach him. If that's NOT what he meant, I'm sure he'll clarify it for all of us!

Bottom line: Wheel on!!! Take your buddies, paying customers, whatever! Just get out and enjoy the sport!!

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