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Old January 2nd, 2008, 09:31 AM   #1
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Does anyone read Car and Driver? In the new issue (New Corvette on the cover) they went to DI to test several "soft-roaders". There are pictures of them parked on the beach which I am pretty sure is illegal. There are also several pics of them driving on flooded trails which, I believe, is also illegal. Am I correct? I won't even mention the part where they snap what appears to be a 1" tow strap.
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Old January 2nd, 2008, 09:36 AM   #2
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Nevermind. I missed the title. :tonka:


Would probably be worth contacting them if true.
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Old January 2nd, 2008, 11:10 AM   #3
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No surprise really, I mean look how many times true off road rags suggest idiotic things, now take a bunch of car guys and expect them to know the rules?
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im not so sure either one is illegal. Depends on which beach they were on for one thing. There is an orv trail leading to shale beach and people drive on that all the time, including jeep jamboree. Not saying that makes it legal, but there are no signs saying otherwise and the trail leads right to it. I dont see why a flooded trail would be illigal either as long as it isnt an overflow from one of the lakes. Some of the trails are almost always flooded on DI like the "log jam" trail.
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I was just reading that issue at work the other day and wondered the same thing myself. Maybe they had permission to do so? Not good anyhow because others will se it and figure they can too.
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im not so sure either one is illegal. Depends on which beach they were on for one thing. There is an orv trail leading to shale beach and people drive on that all the time, including jeep jamboree. Not saying that makes it legal, but there are no signs saying otherwise and the trail leads right to it. I dont see why a flooded trail would be illigal either as long as it isnt an overflow from one of the lakes. Some of the trails are almost always flooded on DI like the "log jam" trail.
There was also a recent Reader's Rides picture of someone driving illegally on the stair steps at Marblehead.
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The rule on Drummond is you can't drive beyond "the last line of green" when it comes to a beach area. I believe there is an actual distance listed in some document somewhere (It's quite a distance back if I'm remembering the correct documentation), but the "usually enforced" rule is no vehicles past the last line of vegitation growing "on" the beach. Seaweed doesn't count...

I'll have to pick up the latest issue of C&D tonight & check it out.
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The rule on Drummond is you can't drive beyond "the last line of green" when it comes to a beach area. I believe there is an actual distance listed in some document somewhere (It's quite a distance back if I'm remembering the correct documentation), but the "usually enforced" rule is no vehicles past the last line of vegitation growing "on" the beach. Seaweed doesn't count...

I'll have to pick up the latest issue of C&D tonight & check it out.
They are right on the beach. (Shale Beach maybe?)
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if it's a rocky beach it's probably either shale beach or pilot cove. Pilot cove has a lot less rocky area before the water so that may help determine which it was.
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There was also a recent Reader's Rides picture of someone driving illegally on the stair steps at Marblehead.
Hmm I wonder who would do such a thing.....

To be honest I didnt even know it was illegal at the time and I had gone up and down it the year before without problems. There were no signs saying it was illegal either. The day after I ran it a guy that was there with me said he had just heard the DNR was handing out $300.00 fines to any one they caught on marble head. So im glad I didnt get caught and I wont run it again until it becomes a designated trail, (im pretty sure some 4x4 organizatios are working on it). There are so many gray areas when four wheeling, especially on state land like drummond island. I wish they would just post up signs saying what is legal and what isnt. That may not stop regular violators but it would help from people that normally do the right thing from getting in trouble.
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I know the guys that went on that trip to Drummond Island with Car and Driver. My buddy is the Road Test Editor there. They had a guide that was provided to take them around the island, I don't recall their name, but I could find out. My friend was kind of pissed about the whole trip. Almost every vehicle that they took up there suffered some damage. My friend said the guide did not really take into account that all the vehicles were stock, brand new, and not owned by them. They were, in his words "way over their heads" as far as the trails were concerned.
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Maybe the guide was trying to prove a point.
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Maybe the guide was trying to prove a point.
Like what? They asked to be led out to some areas for vehicle testing and photo shoots. There are enough areas on the island that should be able to accomodate that request, don't you think?
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MOST trails on Drummond are tough. It was there own damn fault to take stock wannabe 4 x4 up there with inexperienced drivers. Body damage, QUIT Whining!!
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Like what? They asked to be led out to some areas for vehicle testing and photo shoots. There are enough areas on the island that should be able to accomodate that request, don't you think?

How do you "test" something if you don't push it a little?

If they didn't want body damage they shouldn't have taken vehicles offroad.

Have you ever led a group of stockers on a trail ride? Did they all come back with no damage?
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So I wonder what vehicles they tested? Man this is making me want to buy that magazine to see what they drug through those trails.
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MOST trails on Drummond are tough. It was there own damn fault to take stock wannabe 4 x4 up there with inexperienced drivers. Body damage, QUIT Whining!!
I do not think most trails on Drummond are unsuitable for stock 4x4's. They did not go to Turtle Ridge (of course), just wanted some 2 tracks with good scenery. They knew that these vehicles were not up to hard wheeling, but needed a place to shoot the story.


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How do you "test" something if you don't push it a little?

If they didn't want body damage they shouldn't have taken vehicles offroad.

Have you ever led a group of stockers on a trail ride? Did they all come back with no damage?
I think that this was the point in hiring a guide. With none of them knowing the island, they had to rely on someone to show them what was there. The guide knew the lineup of vehicles and should have adjusted the route accordingly. Some damage was to be expected, but I think all but one vehicle came back with something broken. Not fun for my buddy to call all the manufacturers and explain as well as getting them all repaired before they were returned (which I believe Car and Driver paid for on all of them).
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So I wonder what vehicles they tested? Man this is making me want to buy that magazine to see what they drug through those trails.
Don't recall all of them, but there was a new Liberty, a full size Mecedes sport ute, and a few others. According to the editors, the Kia SUV was the most capable. :tonka:
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I do not think most trails on Drummond are unsuitable for stock 4x4's. They did not go to Turtle Ridge (of course), just wanted some 2 tracks with good scenery. They knew that these vehicles were not up to hard wheeling, but needed a place to shoot the story.




I think that this was the point in hiring a guide. With none of them knowing the island, they had to rely on someone to show them what was there. The guide knew the lineup of vehicles and should have adjusted the route accordingly. Some damage was to be expected, but I think all but one vehicle came back with something broken. Not fun for my buddy to call all the manufacturers and explain as well as getting them all repaired before they were returned (which I believe Car and Driver paid for on all of them).
Broken or body damage?

Broken=driver error
body damage can be somewhat blamed on the guide, but also begs to wonder why the people didnt speak up, do something to avoid it, etc.
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Don't recall all of them, but there was a new Liberty, a full size Mecedes sport ute, and a few others. According to the editors, the Kia SUV was the most capable. :tonka:
wow, that will add some credibility to the story.
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