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Old January 1st, 2008, 11:35 AM   #1
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Default Light wiegth Trailer

Been thinking about this for a while ,with gas prices going up I don't want to haul any more than I have to.
What do you guys think ,there was some other trailers on the site were I got this that were similar .
Do you think you could run with out springs?
Tying the axle to the trailer .
My rig weighs 3,400 lbs. and is pretty balanced( 60/40 close)
Could build pretty cheap ,use a old 14 bolt outers, could put shafts in maybe (storage for spare)
Also when I get home could leave it right on the trailer and not take up allot of space.

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Old January 1st, 2008, 11:42 AM   #2
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Old January 1st, 2008, 11:44 AM   #3
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interesting at the very least. i'm not sure how much fuel savings you'd have over a normal car hauling trailer. its tough to say.
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Old January 1st, 2008, 11:46 AM   #4
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first one looks sweet! second one looks like it needs more beef in the frame.i also would runs springs.
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Old January 1st, 2008, 11:48 AM   #5
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Old January 1st, 2008, 11:52 AM   #6
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I like the first rig but the last trailer. I would run springs though. Is the thought to cut weight and lower the trailer to cut wind drag? I do not see how you would save much fuel at all?
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Old January 1st, 2008, 11:57 AM   #7
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interesting at the very least. i'm not sure how much fuel savings you'd have over a normal car hauling trailer. its tough to say.
My thinking is a "regular trailer" weighs 1,500lbs to 2,800lbs I could probably build one around 750 900 lbs?

I also would try and go single wheel and have deeper pockets in the trailer deck for the tires(on the rig) to drop into to keep it as low as possible.

Total weight 4300 single axle or (5300lbs minum.on a regular tralier)
Just a thought I need to put a trailer together any ways so... [shrug]


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Old January 1st, 2008, 12:00 PM   #8
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I like the first rig but the last trailer. I would run springs though. Is the thought to cut weight and lower the trailer to cut wind drag? I do not see how you would save much fuel at all?
Puling less weight has to save fuel wear and tear

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Old January 1st, 2008, 12:10 PM   #9
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yeah but i cant see much savings once you're up to speed.
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added benefit of moving the trailer around the yard/garage, and parking/towing.
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Old January 1st, 2008, 12:40 PM   #11
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but you do loose some versatility. i use my trailer for more than just hauling the jeep around. i would think the added cost of a purpose build trailer would negate any savings.
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Old January 1st, 2008, 12:59 PM   #12
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but you do loose some versatility. i use my trailer for more than just hauling the jeep around. i would think the added cost of a purpose build trailer would negate any savings.
That not really the issue I have a crappy 16' car hauler and a 10x6 deckover utility trailer.plus buddys trailers so........

But when I travel, camp grounds ,gas stations ect... I think it would be nice not hauling extra weight for no reason .

Tow rating of vehicle's This Idea could make or break what you use to tow with [shrug]
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Old January 1st, 2008, 01:03 PM   #13
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yeah but i cant see much savings once you're up to speed.
explain :this is the tech part of my question .

more weight more energy to move right .thats why you need a big rig to move a big load?

My tow rig E350 5.8
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Old January 1st, 2008, 01:05 PM   #14
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I think it could be done. Maybe not much fuel savings, but some. I also think it would be alot more convienient when towing your rig just because of the size. The only downfall i could see is that you would need a rig that is capable of alot of tongue weight. I would definately use spring though. Maybe even a torsion axle?
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Old January 1st, 2008, 01:05 PM   #15
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Puling less weight has to save fuel wear and tear
Agree there but as stated as below

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yeah but i cant see much savings once you're up to speed.
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That not really the issue I have a crappy 16' car hauler and a 10x6 deckover utility trailer.plus buddys trailers so........

But when I travel, camp grounds ,gas stations ect... I think it would be nice not hauling extra weight for no reason .

Tow rating of vehicle's This Idea could make or break what you use to tow with [shrug]

well it looks like you already made up your mind to do so. So go build it and let us know what your fuel savings are.
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Old January 1st, 2008, 02:04 PM   #16
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Same discussion 6 months ago.

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=44018
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Old January 1st, 2008, 02:55 PM   #17
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I'm considering something like this whenever I build my Jeep. Honestly, do you need the dually tires, though?

What about a 6000 lb trailer axle with 8 on 6.5 spindles. Use same tires on your truck as your trailer, have a spare for the truck and one for the trailer, so you have two tiers that can go either on the truck or trailer, in worst case scenarios.

My flatbed is around 1800 I think, I think you could get that trailer down to about 900-1000 lbs. I think the big savings also are lowing the rig ~8" or so by keeping the 'deck' as low as possible, and getting rid of one axle. Couple that with losing 1000 lbs, and I think it'd be a nice setup.

I would use load equalizing hitch on the truck and a good brake controller.


Note: I think for the two rigs at the top, those are kind of heavy rigs and I'd still want a big 1/2 ton (like a modern F150) or a 3/4 ton. On a 3400lb rig with a 900lb trailer, thats a 4300lb load, that you could do just fine with a 1/2 ton or van. MAybe even something like a Tacoma.

Jsut be real careful with getting the weight balanced and it'd be fine..
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Old January 1st, 2008, 03:00 PM   #18
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and 13 months ago

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthr...hlight=trailer





but back on topic, I think i'd just buy an Aluminium car hauler with 2 axles
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http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthr...hlight=trailer





but back on topic, I think i'd just buy an Aluminium car hauler with 2 axles

Except its still heavier than a single, drag of two axles, won't be as low for wind resistance, its expensive, and possibly vulnerable to stress cracking over time.
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I think you are all overly optimistic about your fuel savings. You are hoping to save maybe 900 pounds at the very most. Probably closer to 500 in reality.
An axle & springs weighs maybe 200 pounds
2 wheels & tires weigh 150 pounds combined
That is 350 pounds.
What makes you think when towing you are going to save very much?

When thinking about saving 500 pounds, do you see a difference in fuel economy if you have a couple 250 lb guys in the back seat of your tow vehicle?

What do you base your fuel saving numbers on?

I think it is more a matter of wind resistance. Yes, acceleration is a factor but when towing my enclosed trailer, I get just about the same mileage whether my jeep is in it or the trailer is empty.

Yes, balancing is easier with a robust tow vehicle with a weight distributing hitch but still tougher than you think.
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