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2001-03 Chevy Duramax 36 46.75%
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Old December 30th, 2007, 10:51 PM   #61
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I agree with bones on both points.

I have an 04.5 duramax and I love it. The problems with the lb7's is not the heads, it is the injectors.... when they go bad they leak fuel into the crank case and dilute the oil. The heads to not cracks, they do not blow head gaskets randomly..... if it has good injectors then it is just as reliable as an lly engine, the 01 and 02's have a TSB on them for all 8 injectors to be replaced if there is a problem up to 200k, the last I knew the 03 and 04's were only to get the bad injectors replaced up to 100k
i have a LB7 duramax, and its a 04, i love it and i just got a recall notice saying my injectors are now covered for 10year, 200k
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oh and another thing, look at what most people drive...
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Old December 30th, 2007, 11:09 PM   #63
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oh and another thing, look at what most people drive...
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Old December 31st, 2007, 12:21 AM   #64
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i dont think you can go wrong with either to tell you the truth brian. they are both a solid truck. my cousin just picked up an 05 reg cab dually duramax with a 6spd manual. he said he is averaging 14mpg towing 12,000 lbs, and about 16-18 empty.
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Old December 31st, 2007, 12:52 AM   #65
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Why would you idle for 15 minutes?
And using a test lab and synthetics you can extend your oil changes. The new gassers with their dual plugs and coils are much more expensive. Diesels are penny pincher on maintenance. Even the oil filters are cheap, I don't know why.

The resale alone makes up for the extra cost, think investment.

There are so many myths about diesels, "not good if your only going to drive ten miles", extra costs. what a bunch of hoowee.
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I’ve spent a lot more maintaining my 05 CTD than I ever did with any gassers! With the amount of soot getting into the oil from egr, there is no way I’d consider extending the oil change intervals unless a good bypass filter was installed. At 3 gallons of oil per change, fuel filters, and fuel additives to insure the USLD has enough lubricity.... it all adds up. On average diesel fuel has been more expensive than gas which offsets the diesel’s slightly better fuel economy. The only thing going for the diesel (other than the monster towing ability) is the engines projected longevity, but thats a bit of a crap shoot, since once out of warranty something major going wrong with the fuel system can cost more than a replacement gasser engine would!
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Old December 31st, 2007, 12:58 AM   #66
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Its just a suburban. ........
If only that was true! The Avalanche is just another example of GM’s uncanny ability to take a great idea and fukc it up beyond recognition!
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Why would you idle for 15 minutes? Diesels need to be ran HOT, Thats how they work.
And using a test lab and synthetics you can extend your oil changes. The new gassers with their dual plugs and coils are much more expensive. Diesels are penny pincher on maintenance. Even the oil filters are cheap, I don't know why.
Most diesels take 12-17 qts of oil, a gas engine 6-7 qts. If your buying cheap filters for your diesel, it will have a short life. Most diesel oil filters cost around $10-20 and a gas $5-10
The resale alone makes up for the extra cost, think investment.

There are so many myths about diesels, "not good if your only going to drive ten miles", extra costs. what a bunch of hoowee.
Keep telling yourself that when you need a lift pump or injectors because of the ULSD.
Get what you want, or when your in right lane watching the speedo drop like a two dollar whore and the reality of 7 miles per gallon sink in, you'll wish you had.
I'm being nice here, I've been around diesel for a little while.
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I’ve spent a lot more maintaining my 05 CTD than I ever did with any gassers! With the amount of soot getting into the oil from egr, there is no way I’d consider extending the oil change intervals unless a good bypass filter was installed. At 3 gallons of oil per change, fuel filters, and fuel additives to insure the USLD has enough lubricity.... it all adds up. On average diesel fuel has been more expensive than gas which offsets the diesel’s slightly better fuel economy. The only thing going for the diesel (other than the monster towing ability) is the engines projected longevity, but thats a bit of a crap shoot, since once out of warranty something major going wrong with the fuel system can cost more than a replacement gasser engine would!
Actually diesels heat by compression, thats how they work. But you probably knew that too.

Not only that, I burn my used oil as fuel. 1 gallon:1 tank full, also approved by cummins. Up until recent times diesel was cheaper than gas, but I still wouldn't go back at 18 mpg. Hell my cherokee only gets 15!!
For my way of thinking the 12 valves were better (mechanical fuel injection), but the 24 valve solved a lot of drivability issues, (and created other issues). At least you don't have a VP44!!

Seriously if your that many issues you should get a gasser. You'll like what you can get for your truck, the investment will pay off.

I perform regular inspection, lube and maintenance. Fleetguard filters ($8), brakes, U-joints, I have some bilsteins on the shelf when I find time. Oh yeah $90 for the door lock motor. I try to change all the fluids annually. But I do that to the jeep also. I like to play, so I gotta pay.

My biggest issue is fighting road salt. Whats the answer to that one?

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Old December 31st, 2007, 08:15 AM   #70
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Actually diesels heat by compression, thats how they work. But you probably knew that too.

Not only that, I burn my used oil as fuel. 1 gallon:1 tank full, also approved by cummins. Up until recent times diesel was cheaper than gas, but I still wouldn't go back at 18 mpg. Hell my cherokee only gets 15!!
For my way of thinking the 12 valves were better (mechanical fuel injection), but the 24 valve solved a lot of drivability issues, (and created other issues). At least you don't have a VP44!!

Seriously if your that many issues you should get a gasser. You'll like what you can get for your truck, the investment will pay off.

I perform regular inspection, lube and maintenance. Fleetguard filters ($8), brakes, U-joints, I have some bilsteins on the shelf when I find time. Oh yeah $90 for the door lock motor. I try to change all the fluids annually. But I do that to the jeep also. I like to play, so I gotta pay.

My biggest issue is fighting road salt. Whats the answer to that one?
You have not backed up your claim that diesels are cheaper to maintain.

My CTD has averaged 15.9 mpg over 57k miles and can only get 18 mpg when doing all highway driving at 65mph. Thats not bad for such a heavy truck, but nothing to get all excited about. Seems the older trucks do better.

Please tell me where you fuel up, because except for a few short periods of time it seems like diesel has been more expensive than gas since I got the truck in 2005! Between the world demand for diesel and usld, the price doesn’t look to come down anytime soon either.

A vehicle is hardly an “investment” and while resale is good for some, unfortunately I use my truck for more than groceries, which means wear and tear and dents and scratches, which kills the resale value. To switch now would cost way to much. I like the truck and will keep it until the body rots away, but to do over again it would definitely be a gasser!

Everybody has their own opinion, just remember to separate the facts from feelings or "brand" loyalty (in this case diesel loyalty).
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Brods- If you are so anal about your maintenance, you would do like I do and send out a sample of your oil from every oil change. I still run Rotella and sample every interval. I can easily get 12-13k out of an oil change without losing any oil quality. I'm at 103k miles and Blackstone told me after the last sample that I have one of the best running 600's that they have ever tested, at least in terms of the sample analysis. It's a cheap $20 way to get an idea of any issues inside the engine before they become catastrophic failures.

I would guess that my Cummins is averaging right with yours for mileage. On a good day on all highway I can get 18mpg. But, I didn't buy it for MPG. I bought it to be a tow rig. I was blown away when I pulled a high profile 36' enclosed gooseneck back from Texas with a load of H1 wheels and tires. Truck, trailer, and cargo grossed 27,600. Even loaded like that I still managed 9mpg in the mountains on the way back. That is why I bought a diesel.

Brian - Check out www.cumminsforum.com if you haven't already. You see trucks posted for sale around this area once in a while.
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Old December 31st, 2007, 08:50 AM   #72
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Old December 31st, 2007, 08:51 AM   #73
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I'd have to agree with Brods on maintainance. Every 5K miles I have to buy 16 qts. of oil and a $15 filter; every 10K miles I need a $30 fuel filter.

<edit>I should mention that the design of the HEUI fuel system is hard on engine oil, requiring the frequent changes </edit>

This is a moot point for Brian, as I have an old PSD in a 2wd F250, but it would definitely be cheaper to maintain a gasser. I bought my diesel for the very same reason Brian wants one - then sold my Jeep. I have also towed through the mountains and appreciated the turbo (a gasser loses about 3% of its power for every 1000' above sea level, i.e. a 300hp gasser is only making about 210hp at 10,000') and also the rolling hills in Missouri pose no problem.

I voted for the Chevy, as it seems the dodges build quality isn't up to par with their oilburner. Also, the Chevy truck will net you the Allison transmission - I don't like my manual transmission in traffic jams. For the model year of Ford I was looking for, the auto transmissions seemed like a 60,000 mile "wear item".

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You have not backed up your claim that diesels are cheaper to maintain.

My CTD has averaged 15.9 mpg over 57k miles and can only get 18 mpg when doing all highway driving at 65mph. Thats not bad for such a heavy truck, but nothing to get all excited about. Seems the older trucks do better.

Please tell me where you fuel up, because except for a few short periods of time it seems like diesel has been more expensive than gas since I got the truck in 2005! Between the world demand for diesel and usld, the price doesn’t look to come down anytime soon either.

A vehicle is hardly an “investment” and while resale is good for some, unfortunately I use my truck for more than groceries, which means wear and tear and dents and scratches, which kills the resale value. To switch now would cost way to much. I like the truck and will keep it until the body rots away, but to do over again it would definitely be a gasser!

Everybody has their own opinion, just remember to separate the facts from feelings or "brand" loyalty (in this case diesel loyalty).
It has only been the past few years that Diesel has approached and past gas prices. I don't know where you've been.

18 mpg is the best I've been able to get, Normally not far from it. I've heard people claim more, I wish I could. You think a gas, 3/4 ton, extended cab is going to come close? Not that I've seen.

I break 16 mpg regularly, but when towing a heavy load 11 was the worse, 13 the norm. Big block gassers I've had were all alot worse. For the Cummins to go 500k with major repair is common.

My oil changes are extended to 10k and sampling has indicated the oil is good to extend past that(Fleetguard Filter, price went up $1). But I'm not cheap so 10k is good.
I see the fuel filters have jumped in price to $13.95 , I still have a few on the shelf I picked up when cheaper. Another good investment, Fleetguard also

Adjust the valves every 50k, I have a $20 gasket hanging on the wall.

I do my own repairs so labor is cheap, I shop for parts so as not get stung. I fix whats broke and take care of it to protect my investment. Like all my toys.

Don't blame the truck if you don't do your part
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I am not going to buy a Bigblock because I like the idea of being able to sell this truck in a few more years. It is hard enough to move my 98' gasser right now.

My 98' gets 11mpg around town and about 13mpg on the highway. I only have been averaging about 7-9mpg towning 10 hours away through mountains and rolling hills. The biggest down side is not the mileage but the lack of power to maintain speed.

I am not worried about cost of repairs, cost of maintaning or having to work on it. I am pretty sure I am capable of that.

It's pretty simple, I have weighed the advantages or disadvantages of having a deisel and I have decided to buy a deisel truck. I plan to tow out west, tow for 16-20 hours to do some wheeling and I am not going to do that in a gasser.
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Old December 31st, 2007, 11:22 AM   #76
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Well, first, don't use cruise, use your foot. Cruise lets the rpm drop too much before doing something about it, then it can be too late...

That sounds weak, though, if, at 70 mph you can't pull hills in 3rd gear. Even in my 5.9 dodge, I used could go up things like zilwaukee, etc, without resorting ever to 2nd gear.


I wasn't the happiest towing with my 5.9 dodge on anything but flat. But I like my V10. It makes more HP and Torque than the cummins from the same years(until the HO diesel came out).

It'll be replaced with a 4 door half ton in 2 years when my Fusion lease runs up.
I don't think you are going to convince him otherwise. His truck does not pull well on cruise or off. If there is a head wind he is out of overdrive all the time... settling around 3k... getting 8 MPG. It's a PITA for him.

As for my 5.9 Dodge I don't have any issues at all. (besides the shitty trackbar that I still have to fix) I don't expect it to do more than it can and that is it. Roll with the cruise set at 75-80, and sometimes it drops down to 70 on the big inclines... but NBD.
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I would go with the 5.9L Dodge, Infact I'm going to look at one today with 20,000 miles on it. Brian do a autotrader.com search for your area.
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BDR, you don't wheel lol. So you don't have to worry about towing Especially outside of michigan. Your a Kelly Jr.
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I don't think you are going to convince him otherwise. His truck does not pull well on cruise or off. If there is a head wind he is out of overdrive all the time... settling around 3k... getting 8 MPG. It's a PITA for him.

As for my 5.9 Dodge I don't have any issues at all. (besides the shitty trackbar that I still have to fix) I don't expect it to do more than it can and that is it. Roll with the cruise set at 75-80, and sometimes it drops down to 70 on the big inclines... but NBD.
I don't really either.

Sounds like a weak truck, though. I know both my dodges its possible to pull hills in 4th gear driving, but cruise drops to 3rd.

Always funny watching the diesel guys try to justify things. IF you want diesel, get diesel. But you don't NEED diesel to pull 5500-6000 lbs, even through the mountains.


So, its still goes back to the list Brian had. Chevy will probably be the better daily driver, especially with the short drive. IIRC, its a few hundred pounds lighter in the engine, it should warm up faster. It will be nicer and more comfortable driver as well. And has the better transmission. Yeah, you can get a 6 speed dodge manual, good luck finding one without bending over to pay for it. The 5 speeds manual are marginal behind a stock motor, and the autos will need to be rebuilt(and the auto trucks had reduced power to try unsuccessfully to keep the trans together)
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Uck... less power AND no better gas mileage than a V10.
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