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2001-03 Chevy Duramax 36 46.75%
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Old December 30th, 2007, 04:03 PM   #41
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Brian, since mileage is not a concern as far as your short commute, have you considered a 6.0 chevy ? Plenty of power, just shy of deisel mileage while towing, and none of the headaches...
I don't believe that any gassers are going to pull the way I want. I have read tons of stuff on POR about ppl towing with the 6.0L. and all have the same issues as my 5.7L.
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Old December 30th, 2007, 04:39 PM   #42
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I don't believe that any gassers are going to pull the way I want. I have read tons of stuff on POR about ppl towing with the 6.0L. and all have the same issues as my 5.7L.
10-4

I used my brothers 6.0 and he has done the same, never any complaints.

However I dont know how much you are towing etc.

What about an 8.1 Them suckers have some power! @ 2mpg LOL.
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Old December 30th, 2007, 05:28 PM   #43
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"maybe I can catch him on the downhill"
Ok, lets discuss everything this guy did wrong....

I think it might require its own thread, like, why was the ass still in the right lane when he started losing speed? I hate amatures! Ignoring coolant alarms putting that truck on the trailer backwards, running the shit out of a hot engine till the limp mode kicked in. Yah, he was trying to keep up with the Dodge but DAMN don't kill the truck.

I ran my 6.7 Cummins 6 speed auto across 40 from one end of tn to the other at 70 down hill 65 up hill, watching my coolant like a hawk, it never went higher than 10 degrease above average (cant remember what average was on that truck. this is a 8300lb truck pulling a 6000lb trailer with 11,000lb's of freight. My plate was for a gross weight of 26000lbs and I was typiclly 200-300 lbs over that. I almost never used over drive.

word to the wise watch out for recalls on that 6 speed we had it in the dealer for one problem 4 times, part of it was the mechanic part was recalls, started with the pan leak, then they changed either the input on the trans or the rear main on the engine, then the trans sucked the seal around the shifter in and THAT was a bad leak. As far as the motor goes we had a programming recall and picked up an extra 2mpg (12mpg @ a gross weight of 25000lbs running 65 in ohio) pulling something somewhat aerodynamic gets you even better fuel economy.

if you want a top of the line tow rig the Cummins makes a nice motor, and the MegaCab is built to comfortably sit 5 people and still pull a goose neck trailer like its not there.

All diesels are expensive to fix, its a diesel thing. Guys swear buy the Dmax, some guys with Cummins decided to trade the Dmax for the Cummins, and ford guys, well, they are Ford guys.

the Duramax and cummins are pretty close in performance, right now, the 24v are by far the loudest, the 6.7 and duramax you can hardly hear run, and the 6.7 Cummins wont blow black smoke, but, you do have to use the USLD or the cats will get plugged, yes, the 6.7 has 2 catalytic converters, and they have sensors so the truck knows how much back pressure is on the exhaust.

The last big plus of the 6.7 is the exhaust brake, its not adjustable but when you slide it into towhaul and turn it on you don't need to bother with the breaks going down a grade, it WORKS.
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I bet $5 that Brian has stacks on his truck within 6 months
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Old December 30th, 2007, 07:18 PM   #45
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I bet $5 that Brian has stacks on his truck within 6 months
X 2! and by the way all you can get for fuel now ULSD for over the road.
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Old December 30th, 2007, 07:40 PM   #46
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I myself own 2004 Gmc Duramax and love it. I would find one with the LLY coded engine, however the other older years are fine. To my knowledge, Gm did extended the warrenty to around 200,000 miles on injectors. My brother has 2002, My Dad 2003 and they have, well over 100,000 miles with only one injector issue on the 02 and Gm covered it. If you only drive 10 miles, I would still buy one and take the long way home!
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This is exactly why I have had a hard time deciding, seems it is always about 50-50 which ppl prefer.

Chevy Pros:
Nice Ride
Quitier Desiel
Nicer Interior
Newer body style
Smooth shifting automatic

Chevy Cons:
Lower fuel mileage
More expensive
Possibly shorter lasting Engine? (not many ppl running 200k+ trucks yet)
Push button 4x4
Possible Injector Problem

Dodge Pros:
Cummins proven motor
available in 6spd manual
Better fuel economy
Lots of aftermarket parts
Cheaper/more available
4x4 shifter

Dodge Cons:
Same body style for almost 10 years
Crappy Automatic
Vp44 lift pump issue
Rougher ride
Louder Motor
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Old December 30th, 2007, 08:25 PM   #48
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1998 1/2 12 valve with 6 speed swap..
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Old December 30th, 2007, 08:30 PM   #49
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You know my preference just because I have a Cummins. No matter what you chose, find a station that sells bio-diesel and run at least B2 if not B20. This new ULSD crap will take years off the life of your motor. The bio adds back a lot of the lubricity that is now missing from this so-called eco-friendly shit.
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This is exactly why I have had a hard time deciding, seems it is always about 50-50 which ppl prefer.

Chevy Pros:
Nice Ride
Quitier Desiel
Nicer Interior
Newer body style
Smooth shifting automatic

Chevy Cons:
Lower fuel mileage
More expensive
Possibly shorter lasting Engine? (not many ppl running 200k+ trucks yet)
Push button 4x4
Possible Injector Problem

Dodge Pros:
Cummins proven motor
available in 6spd manual
Better fuel economy
Lots of aftermarket parts
Cheaper/more available
4x4 shifter

Dodge Cons:
Same body style for almost 10 years
Crappy Automatic
Vp44 lift pump issue
Rougher ride
Louder Motor
That looks about right. I've had two dodges myself (96 and 00, both ext-cab longbeds), both towed well. driven a LOT of 91-06 dodge diesels.

I have a 96 dodge V10 currently, gets 11mpg empty, 9-10 mpg toying my toyota (9.5 mpg @ 75mph towing to tellico, likewise to harlan, for reference, overdrive on except hills), 3.55 gears, 135k miles with a raised cap on the back. I figure my toy/trailer's same weight as yours, they had the same tires and drivetrain..

If you are determined to get a diesel for a daily driver, I'd get the duramax with an allison. I think one of the biggest improvements in trucks is better automatics, they really help get things rolling. So many trucks (fords STILL) are saddled with 2.4x first gears and wide gear spacing.

If you drive 10 miles daily, I'd really recommend against it. Buying used, you'll probably pay $5000 minimum more for the diesel, and be paying 10-15% higher fuel prices, plus higher maintenance costs, that will eat up any fuel savings you'd see. You'll be idling for 15 minutes every morning to warm up.


I think the chevy is better to live with daily, better ride/handling, newer truck, etc. You might be able to go through the drive thru without turning off the motor.


If it was me, I'd go find a newer chevy with a 8.1 or maybe a 6.0. You'll be able to pick up 2-3 model years by not paying for the diesel. But I never do what the cool kids do.
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If it was me, I'd go find a newer chevy with a 8.1 or maybe a 6.0. You'll be able to pick up 2-3 model years by not paying for the diesel.
x2 jusrifying the cost of a diesel truck is pretty hard unless you just want it, or will be towing very heavy loads very often.
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....If you drive 10 miles daily, I'd really recommend against it. Buying used, you'll probably pay $5000 minimum more for the diesel, and be paying 10-15% higher fuel prices, plus higher maintenance costs, that will eat up any fuel savings you'd see. You'll be idling for 15 minutes every morning to warm up.
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Supposedly it is bad to idle the Dodge 3rd gen egr engines due to injector fouling. Is that the same for the Dmax? If so plan on using a block heater or some other way to warm it up.

Why not the 2003 - 2004 Dodges?
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On every trip I have been on with my 98' Chevy, I have been very frustrated with it's towing. On our last trip, I had a hard time keeping up with the pack from st louis onto Flat Nasty.

I am not trying to do what the cool guys are doing, I don't care about fuel mileage, I don't care about cost to get one over a gasser. I just want to set the cruise and drive, tow 70 mph and not have to loss 10mph going up a slight hill.

I have problems with my 4L80E jumping into 2nd gear on pretty big hills and ppl with the 6.0L have the same issues from what I have read.
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Why not the 2003 - 2004 Dodges?
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Get a GM 8.1, they tow great but mileage sucks and you don't care about mileage.
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On every trip I have been on with my 98' Chevy, I have been very frustrated with it's towing. On our last trip, I had a hard time keeping up with the pack from st louis onto Flat Nasty.

I am not trying to do what the cool guys are doing, I don't care about fuel mileage, I don't care about cost to get one over a gasser. I just want to set the cruise and drive, tow 70 mph and not have to loss 10mph going up a slight hill.

I have problems with my 4L80E jumping into 2nd gear on pretty big hills and ppl with the 6.0L have the same issues from what I have read.
Well, first, don't use cruise, use your foot. Cruise lets the rpm drop too much before doing something about it, then it can be too late...

That sounds weak, though, if, at 70 mph you can't pull hills in 3rd gear. Even in my 5.9 dodge, I used could go up things like zilwaukee, etc, without resorting ever to 2nd gear.


I wasn't the happiest towing with my 5.9 dodge on anything but flat. But I like my V10. It makes more HP and Torque than the cummins from the same years(until the HO diesel came out).

It'll be replaced with a 4 door half ton in 2 years when my Fusion lease runs up.
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How much do you need the big cargo bed?


8.1 liter 3/4 ton avalanches are nice
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8.1 liter 3/4 ton avalanches are nice

Aren't long wheelbases better for towing? The avalance looks short (?)
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Aren't long wheelbases better for towing? The avalance looks short (?)
Its just a suburban. Its not like brian's towing anything big. I've towed my toyota with a 5.3 suburban, it towed fine.

Yeah, my 156" WB is smoother, but I haven't seen any issue with the shorter one..
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If you drive 10 miles daily, I'd really recommend against it. Buying used, you'll probably pay $5000 minimum more for the diesel, and be paying 10-15% higher fuel prices, plus higher maintenance costs, that will eat up any fuel savings you'd see. You'll be idling for 15 minutes every morning to warm up.
Why would you idle for 15 minutes?
And using a test lab and synthetics you can extend your oil changes. The new gassers with their dual plugs and coils are much more expensive. Diesels are penny pincher on maintenance. Even the oil filters are cheap, I don't know why.

The resale alone makes up for the extra cost, think investment.

There are so many myths about diesels, "not good if your only going to drive ten miles", extra costs. what a bunch of hoowee.

Get what you want, or when your in right lane watching the speedo drop like a two dollar whore and the reality of 7 miles per gallon sink in, you'll wish you had.
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