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Old December 12th, 2007, 02:46 PM   #21
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The same price?!

Liberty Sport 4x4 $22,600, Limited $26,800

Wrangler 2 door X $19,320, Sahara $24,775, Rubicon $27,880

Now a Wrangler 4 door might get close to a Commander's $32k price tag:

X - $24,910, Sahara $28,150, Rubicon $30,890

I guess they don't have Hemi's but I would never care to have a Hemi in a top heavy SUV anyway, a Hemi in a challenger or a charger, now we're talking.
Yep...sorry...was thinking of the Wrangler, Grand...hell, no matter how you look at it, a Commander is a bargain at $32k in my book!
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Old December 12th, 2007, 03:43 PM   #22
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I'll give you that.
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Old December 12th, 2007, 06:05 PM   #23
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Make sure you drive the thing at highway speeds with one back window rolled down and all the others rolled up

Helicopter effect anyone:tonka:
Almost all SUVs do that. Not that long ago I heard a story about a woman complaining about her Mercedes M class doing it and she got pissed off when told that it was normal.

Just as good is that a lot of cars with moonroof windows have a diffuser that pops up in the front of the opening when the window slides open. If you pull it down when driving 30mph plus it can do it really bad depending on the car. If you are riding in somebody elses car its kinda funny to do it and mess with them since they wonder what the hell it is.
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Old December 12th, 2007, 06:14 PM   #24
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Almost all SUVs do that. Not that long ago I heard a story about a woman complaining about her Mercedes M class doing it and she got pissed off when told that it was normal.

Just as good is that a lot of cars with moonroof windows have a diffuser that pops up in the front of the opening when the window slides open. If you pull it down when driving 30mph plus it can do it really bad depending on the car. If you are riding in somebody elses car its kinda funny to do it and mess with them since they wonder what the hell it is.
While I realize that almost all SUV's do that, I haven't ever heard one as loud as what the KK/KA does.....

Edit: And on the same note, you would think that chrysler would have tested and maybe tried to fix it...they do have a wind tunnel, which from what I was told was used roughly 75% for NVH work.....
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Old December 12th, 2007, 08:54 PM   #25
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Tell the New Chrysler to keep the Liberty and get an H3 or an FJCruiser
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Old December 12th, 2007, 09:33 PM   #26
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Girly Jeep / Girly man's jeep. Most new Chevys are available as Hybrids :).
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Old December 12th, 2007, 09:37 PM   #27
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While I realize that almost all SUV's do that, I haven't ever heard one as loud as what the KK/KA does.....

Edit: And on the same note, you would think that chrysler would have tested and maybe tried to fix it...they do have a wind tunnel, which from what I was told was used roughly 75% for NVH work.....
my '07 Silverado is HORRIBLE for the helicopter effect.
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I drove the 3.7L and the sales guy even admitted that the thing sucked shifting from 1st to 2nd.

It had the Quadra-Trac I - No Low range - Gay!
We took a 3.7 Commander out to Colorado towing our 1000lb trailer, not even full of stuff, and it sucked. It reved at 3000 constantly through Nebraska. Good thing it wasnt ours.
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thanks for all of the comments......got one good about the liberty like i asked and the rest were about the comander......what do u guys think of the mid size fords and chevys
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thanks for all of the comments......got one good about the liberty like i asked and the rest were about the comander......what do u guys think of the mid size fords and chevys
an Escape, or a Equinox?


or are you comparing it to a Explorer and T-blazer.
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all he said was mid size
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Old December 14th, 2007, 01:37 PM   #32
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We had an early pilot vehicle where I work last week. The version we got was a 6speed CRD (Common Rail Diesel). Not sure if this will be available in US though. Electronic transfercase 4lo, 4hi, 2hi. Seemed ok. Didn't get to drive it though.
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We had an early pilot vehicle where I work last week. The version we got was a 6speed CRD (Common Rail Diesel). Not sure if this will be available in US though. Electronic transfercase 4lo, 4hi, 2hi. Seemed ok. Didn't get to drive it though.
did it have marker lights on the sides below the rear view mirrors?? If so it's a euro spec vehicle...
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