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Old November 20th, 2007, 02:45 PM   #21
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Old November 20th, 2007, 03:17 PM   #22
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"In all seriousness, post a picture of your butt in a pair of jeans.

Someday, it will be mine."

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Old November 20th, 2007, 03:22 PM   #23
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1. the only thing I am positive on is that I am NOT God.

2. I get along pretty good trying to do unto others - on my own, unaided by Christianity.
1. Cheers, you are further than most people I know!!

2. The Christian position is this: I am not good enough on my own because I am a sinner (much like the people described in the OP). Eventhough I try to do good, I am unable to be good enough before God. Therefore it is the righteousness of Christ that covers my imperfections and makes me acceptable to God. Not what I have done, but what Christ has done on my behalf. No matter what, none of us are perfect, and we are all screw ups. IF it is true that God is real, then we should be making decisions accordingly, decisions reflective of your first statement. I am not, he is, I need him.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 03:34 PM   #24
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"In all seriousness, post a picture of your butt in a pair of jeans.

Someday, it will be mine."

I like the way you think.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 03:56 PM   #25
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If you don't feel comfortable talking to him you can talk to another preacher.

We're all sinners and most of us don't claim to be perfect....If they do....they just lied...Making them a sinner. he he he. It seems to me that you have alot of questions/statements/whatever on God. If you don't feel comfortable with your pastor Find some one you know that is a Christian who is plugged into a solid church and go with him. Talk to the paster there or even talk to your friend. He'll probably be blown away that someone is asking him about that kind of stuff. I will be praying for you.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 10:19 PM   #26
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If you don't feel comfortable talking to him you can talk to another preacher.

We're all sinners and most of us don't claim to be perfect....If they do....they just lied...Making them a sinner. he he he. It seems to me that you have alot of questions/statements/whatever on God. If you don't feel comfortable with your pastor Find some one you know that is a Christian who is plugged into a solid church and go with him. Talk to the paster there or even talk to your friend. He'll probably be blown away that someone is asking him about that kind of stuff. I will be praying for you.
The most levelheaded, honest, and genuinely good people I know are not church going people. I actually feel pity on all of you who must go to a false sense of good, I'm talking about the church, to find good people.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 06:06 AM   #27
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I don't think the church is a false sense of good at all - with the exception of a few bad examples, every church I have had experience with is more than just a place to go worship. It is an extended family, and just like your own (in most cases) accept you for who you are and bring you into the fold.

I don't think church or religion is a bad thing at all.
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The most levelheaded, honest, and genuinely good people I know are not church going people. I actually feel pity on all of you who must go to a false sense of good, I'm talking about the church, to find good people.
I'm not saying I go to just Christians to find good people. I'm saying that if you have questions about God or Christianity, go to the Source. While you may think we're out thier, Christians are the best place to go to learn about Christians. It makes sense. Do you go to a Flower shop to learn about Transmissions? No. You go to a transmission shop. You'll find most Christians at church on Sunday. It's a perfect time to ask them questions. The hardest part of this is to actually listen to them. So many people get in Religous ( I hate that word) Debates and voice thier opinion and then don't have the common sense to listen to what the other has to say. I'm not saying that's you, but that's what happens a good percent of the time.

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Old November 22nd, 2007, 01:15 PM   #29
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.. every church I have had experience with is more than just a place to go worship. It is an extended family, and just like your own (in most cases) accept you for who you are and bring you into the fold.
x2 don't judge the people going to the church by the vocal minority that always seems to give the silent majority a bad name.

I've been to a lot of different churches since I made the descision to dedicate my life to Christ. I found that all of them had good people as the majority and a few bad apples. No different than any other cross-section of people. Wether your criteria is race, height, IQ, wealth, etc. There's good and bad.



What is your motivation to start/support threads like this? Curiosity? Anger? Seriously, I'm curious.
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Old November 27th, 2007, 01:01 AM   #30
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To me, it's not whether God exists or not, it is simply not having faith. I get along pretty good trying to do unto others - on my own, unaided by Christianity.
We all have faith. It's just a question of in what.. Mountain moving faith is believing humanity is nothing more than a cosmic mistake.

Your faith is that our very existence is without reason or purpose and our collective struggle signifies nothing.

While your "getting along pretty good" is laudable, it doesn't compete with the peace that passes understanding.

If righteousness could be gained through the law then Christ died for nothing.

Jesus came to offer us life eternal by offering himself. He is the gift that beggars all description.

The fact that there is corruption in the church doesn't invalidate the gospel. It reaffirms how hopelessly lost we are without Christ.
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Your faith is that our very existence is without reason or purpose and our collective struggle signifies nothing.
You'll have about as much success describing my "faith" as I would yours; i.e. you know nothing of my true feelings.

My faith is that I know people will hurt me, intentionally or not, and it is up to me to live with that peacefully. Things will not always "go my way" - this, to me, is not God testing me - IT IS LIFE, and I (as well as every other person living) must deal with it. Some people choose religion to help, I choose reason.
This is not to say I feel religion is irrational, only that it is irrational for me.

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The fact that there is corruption in the church doesn't invalidate the gospel. It reaffirms how hopelessly lost we are without Christ.
You have misten me for someone else - I never claimed such.
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Old November 27th, 2007, 07:38 AM   #32
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Not all of "us". I'm not here to tell you there is no God, in fact, the only thing I am positive on is that I am NOT God.

To me, it's not whether God exists or not, it is simply not having faith. I get along pretty good trying to do unto others - on my own, unaided by Christianity.

Scooter, you ARE "A" god, not "Thee" God!! :tonka:
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