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Old March 15th, 2006, 09:08 AM   #61
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I like grape too. But prefer to stick my finger in that one and eat it.

Probably why we get along so well! lol
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Old March 15th, 2006, 09:25 AM   #62
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I like grape too. But prefer to stick my finger in that one and eat it.

Probably why we get along so well! lol
I dislike grape. I'm not commenting on that next one. Probally.
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you two get a room! :tonka:
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What if I told you that there would be an aig bag at the bottom? Makes ya think now dont it?
Dosen't get me thinking 50 stories up = long way down have to factor in wind speeds or you could miss the bag..there is allways base jumping with a Parachute but then again the wind could knock ya back in to the building and still fall to your death. also the chute could be packed wrong and ya die that way also!


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Technically man has edited the bible over the years more times then not. How do you know...YOUUUU know that the bible's ideas and words are what god wants? You have faith thats how. And faith is ones personal opinion to believe in something without factual proof of it.

thats why IMO the KJV is closer to the truth then most any words that are added for ease of under standing at Italisized not just mixed in and has not be "UPDATED" for todays world...Um the bible is from bigining to end dosen't need to be updated.. and if you want to read the true bible learn greek and read it with out traslations!:dunie:
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I'd love to. More for the sleep then for the LM company.
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Dosen't get me thinking 50 stories up = long way down have to factor in wind speeds or you could miss the bag..there is allways base jumping with a Parachute but then again the wind could knock ya back in to the building and still fall to your death. also the chute could be packed wrong and ya die that way also!
We're playing the what if game. Religion can do it one way...but not the other. I've been sucked into that game before and now realize where it goes. No where.


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thats why IMO the KJV is closer to the truth then most any words that are added for ease of under standing at Italisized not just mixed in and has not be "UPDATED" for todays world...Um the bible is from bigining to end dosen't need to be updated.. and if you want to read the true bible learn greek and read it with out traslations!:dunie:
Where the bold stops, the facts stop. Glad you realize that. It makes the arguement a lot easyier for both sides.
Closer to the truth. Now isnt that an odd choice of words? Its either the truth... or not the truth given the known facts. if the fact base changes then the truth can possibly change.
Even the greek bible still has been modified many many times over.
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We're playing the what if game. Religion can do it one way...but not the other. I've been sucked into that game before and now realize where it goes. No where.




Where the bold stops, the facts stop. Glad you realize that. It makes the arguement a lot easyier for both sides.
Closer to the truth. Now isnt that an odd choice of words? Its either the truth... or not the truth given the known facts. if the fact base changes then the truth can possibly change.
Even the greek bible still has been modified many many times over.
Well in my eyes it is the truth!!:miff:

If i stated for a fact that it is the hole truth and 100% corect and factual we would have to start reading in greek (im learning for this perpous, not that i can SPELL english either lol).

Also I belive that the jews are the original people but missted the fact that the mesia is Jesus and he has allready came and they discounted him so thats where the buck stops with them so his teaching become the NEW LAW aka New testament...
worse case senaro its made me a more personable person and more freindly...perfect by no means just better off then when i was a hard core sinner IE drinkign whoreing around ect... and I end up in heaven with Jesus


If a Non beliver is wrong he is Screwed..

wich side of the heavens you want to ride on is your bussiness... all we have to do is belive and tell others about our wonderfull God and his love for you..

I do just so i dont get a freind in hell askign me why i didn't tell him! figratively speaking!
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Old March 15th, 2006, 03:37 PM   #68
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We're playing the what if game. Religion can do it one way...but not the other. I've been sucked into that game before and now realize where it goes. No where.




Where the bold stops, the facts stop. Glad you realize that. It makes the arguement a lot easyier for both sides.
Closer to the truth. Now isnt that an odd choice of words? Its either the truth... or not the truth given the known facts. if the fact base changes then the truth can possibly change.
Even the greek bible still has been modified many many times over.
Well in my eyes it is the truth!!:miff:

If i stated for a fact that it is the hole truth and 100% corect and factual we would have to start reading in greek (im learning for this perpous, not that i can SPELL english either lol).

Also I belive that the jews are the original people but missted the fact that the mesia is Jesus and he has allready came and they discounted him so thats where the buck stops with them so his teaching become the NEW LAW aka New testament...
worse case senaro its made me a more personable person and more freindly...perfect by no means just better off then when i was a hard core sinner IE drinkign whoreing around ect... and I end up in heaven with Jesus


If a Non beliver is wrong he is Screwed..

wich side of the heavens you want to ride on is your bussiness... all we have to do is belive and tell others about our wonderfull God and his love for you..

I do just so i dont get a freind in hell askign me why i didn't tell him! figratively speaking!
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Old March 15th, 2006, 03:46 PM   #69
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Well in my eyes it is the truth!!:miff:
See where the logic stops. You stated within your eyes its the truth. This leads me to believe that even you think its just an opinion. Can you give me evidence in a logical, science based that totally proves everything stated?

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If i stated for a fact that it is the hole truth and 100% corect and factual we would have to start reading in greek (im learning for this perpous, not that i can SPELL english either lol).
Intresting mis-spelling. hole truth. I understand it was just a fluke and doubt it was a freudian(sp) slip.

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Also I belive that the jews are the original people
Based on what historical evidence? a single scripture?

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but missed the fact that the mesia is Jesus and he has allready came and they discounted him so thats where the buck stops with them so his teaching become the NEW LAW aka New testament...
Not a horriblely out there story given my knowledge of that scripture. Heres my problem. That scripture also states the creator, god, loves everyone. Why is it that the scripture that states that isnt in every single humans access? Why is it that in the entire population the major 5-10 religions all take up a very very large chunk of it all. Wierd, if religion A is correct, then well all the others are crap.
This leads to another arguement - does your enviromental upbringing lead you to certain religions? Look at adopted kids. They are born into say buddism then transported thousands of miles away and now can become christian?
What if you were born in mongolia? Think you'd be looking the other way?
Just questions.

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worse case senaro its made me a more personable person and more freindly...perfect by no means just better off then when i was a hard core sinner IE drinkign whoreing around ect... and I end up in heaven with Jesus
I'm not really sure what to label myself but walking besides me on the street I'm no different then a monk.

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If a Non beliver is wrong he is Screwed..
And if the believers are wrong they lived their life in a lie.
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wich side of the heavens you want to ride on is your bussiness... all we have to do is belive and tell others about our wonderfull God and his love for you..
This is the classic I either do it this way or with what I know I'm going to go to hell arguement. Its pointless. It will turn into a pissing match.
All you have to do it believe and tell others. WHY. Explain to me why if god created me, that YOUUUUUuuuuuu a human need to tell MMMEEEeeee a human? If god wanted me to believe I think he'd have the decency to tell me on his own terms, not yours. And I dont wanna hear how he'll be using you to tell me. In iraq they call them suicide bombers. Yup, I just made that comparison.

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I do just so i dont get a freind in hell askign me why i didn't tell him! figratively speaking!
Its god's problem, not yours right? What duty do you have.....duty from a book that told you to do so?
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So yea. This just poped up on the OTher site

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1. Thomas Howells, 1927
Study of 461 students showed religiously conservative students "are, in general, relatively inferior in intellectual ability."

2. Hilding Carlsojn, 1933
Study of 215 students showed that "there is a tendency for the more intelligent undergraduate to be sympathetic toward… atheism."

3. Abraham Franzblau, 1934
Confirming Howells and Carlson, tested 354 Jewish children, aged 10-16. Found a negative correlation between religiosity and IQ as measured by the Terman intelligence test.

4. Thomas Symington, 1935
Tested 400 young people in colleges and church groups. He reported, "There is a constant positive relation in all the groups between liberal religious thinking and mental ability… There is also a constant positive relation between liberal scores and intelligence…"

5. Vernon Jones, 1938
Tested 381 students, concluding "a slight tendency for intelligence and liberal attitudes to go together."

6. A. R. Gilliland, 1940
At variance with all other studies, found "little or no relationship between intelligence and attitude toward god."

7. Donald Gragg, 1942
Reported an inverse correlation between 100 ACE freshman test scores and Thurstone "reality of god" scores.

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8. Brown and Love, 1951
At the University of Denver, tested 613 male and female students. The mean test scores of non-believers was 119 points, and for believers it was 100. The non-believers ranked in the 80th percentile, and believers in the 50th. Their findings "strongly corroborate those of Howells."

9. Michael Argyle, 1958
Concluded that "although intelligent children grasp religious concepts earlier, they are also the first to doubt the truth of religion, and intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs."

10. Jeffrey Hadden, 1963
Found no correlation between intelligence and grades. This was an anomalous finding, since GPA corresponds closely with intelligence. Other factors may have influenced the results at the University of Wisconsin.

11. Young, Dustin and Holtzman, 1966
Average religiosity decreased as GPA rose.




12. James Trent, 1967
Polled 1400 college seniors. Found little difference, but high-ability students in his sample group were over-represented.

13. C. Plant and E. Minium, 1967
The more intelligent students were less religious, both before entering college and after 2 years of college.

14. Robert Wuthnow, 1978
Of 532 students, 37 percent of Christians, 58 percent of apostates, and 53 percent of non-religious scored above average on SATs.

15. Hastings and Hoge, 1967, 1974
Polled 200 college students and found no significant correlations.

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SATs 1022
1108
1119
1148
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religious moderately
anti-
religious strongly
anti-
religious 16. Norman Poythress, 1975
Mean SATs for strongly anti-
religious (1148), moderately anti-religious (1119), slightly anti-religious (1108), and religious (1022).

17. Wiebe and Fleck, 1980
Studied 158 male and female Canadian university students. They reported "nonreligious S's tended to be strongly intelligent" and "more intelligent than religious S's."
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In Explorations: An undergraduate research journal, Regan Clarke reports religious belief and behavior were negatively correlated with SAT scores in the USA.[2] In 2000, noted skeptic Michael Shermer found a negative correlation between education and religosity in the United States, though Rice University indicates this may not apply to the social sciences.[3]
Several studies on Americans focus on the beliefs of high-IQ individuals. In one study, 90% of the general population surveyed professed a distinct belief in a personal god and afterlife, while only 40% of the scientists with a BS surveyed did so, and only 10% of those considered "eminent."[4]. Another study found that mathematicians were just over 40%, biologists just under 30%, and physicists were barely over 20% likely to believe in God.[5]
A survey of members of the United States National Academy of Sciences showed that 72% are outright atheists, 21% are agnostic and only 7% admit to belief in a personal God.[6]
The Pew Global Attitudes Project surveyed opinions by nation with the question "How important is religion in your life—very important, somewhat important, not too important, or not at all important?"[7] The report finds that Americans are much more religious than people living in other wealthy nations. In the U.S., 59% of people reported religion was "very important", as compared to 30% in Canada. In this way, the views of Americans are more simliar to people in developing countries than those in developed countries. The study found a correlation between the percentage of people reporting that religion was "very important" and the national per-capita GDP. It can be further stated that the nations who scored as most religious tended to have low science scores according to TIMSS.[8] Also an inverse correlation at Nationmaster can be found between mathematical literacy and church attendance[9]. (Although labor regulation and police per capita were far stronger inverse correlations) No significant inverse correlation showed up for scientific literacy[10] or reading literacy[11] however.
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Im not a scollar as you can tell from my spelling im a red neck that belives in God..plain and simple!
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And I was shipped all the way over here from S. Korea and don't know what to think, but I do know this much .......I will live forever
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Im not a scollar as you can tell from my spelling im a red neck that belives in God..plain and simple!
I'm not one to push views so dont take it as such.

But this reaction is common when the questions are pushed and raised.
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This is America correct? Freedom to worship. So if sciencology is a new religion and some feel it is fake....why? I believe I will never die, but does that make my religion fake???? Nooooooooooooooooooo
Please take this discussion to that other site , where this type of BELONGS.

BTW, I love how this program automatically deletes "that other site" from posts.
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didnt know that it deleted them...hehe
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Kudos to everyone who has kept this a civilized discussion.
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