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Old November 1st, 2007, 08:09 AM   #1
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No Start 7.3L 95 Powerstoke *Edit: It starts!!*

Lots of white smoke but no start. It was 40 this morning when I tried.

I jumped the glowplug relay with no success.

New glow plugs and relay have been ordered.

The tack is moving so I don't think it's the CPS.

Thoughts would be appreciated

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Old November 1st, 2007, 08:38 AM   #2
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I would say glow plugs or relay. Did you put a test light on the feed to the glow plugs when you jumped the relay to see if you are getting power to them? Also is the starter cranking the engine fast enough. Batterys being week or starter being week could also be a problem.
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Old November 1st, 2007, 09:09 AM   #3
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X2 on the glow plugs.....white smoke = "cold smoke" (really is vaporized fuel)....could be that it's not getting hot enough to ignite - I'd start with the glow plugs and/or relay


but, this may be a stupid suggestion, but try to start it when it gets warmer this afternoon....if you are getting power/ground to the glow plugs, it's possible the fuel is the issue (though I wouldn't think so at 40 - thats really not that cold for even summer fuel blends)
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Old November 1st, 2007, 06:09 PM   #4
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My dad had the glow plug relay go out but it didnt effect the glow plugs. How many miles? You are right in ordering glow plugs, it might be time for them to be changed. Depending on the milage. One thing that i have seen done is to put a light in the truck ( like an led light in the dash somewhere, just drill a hole that the light can barley be pushed through ) hook it up the the glow plug side of the realay, you will find that the light stays on longer than the stock wait to start light, and if the relay goes out agin you will know.
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Old November 1st, 2007, 06:21 PM   #5
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120,xxx miles.

Just tired starting it at 50 degrees and no worky

Glow plugs have been ordered. . .. and it ran the other day fine when it was 65
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Old November 1st, 2007, 06:27 PM   #6
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Wait to start light coming on?

Did the fuel heater come loose and short out against the side of the fuel filter housing?
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Old November 1st, 2007, 06:51 PM   #7
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Wait to start light coming on?

Did the fuel heater come loose and short out against the side of the fuel filter housing?
Wait to start light does come on.

I know no such thing of this fuel heater . . . please do explain.

Edit: just did a little search and I"ll try that as well.

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Old November 1st, 2007, 08:34 PM   #8
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I can't say for sure since I am a GM diesel guy, but its either Glow plugs/relay or the fuel distributor acting up based on miles. if it has a roostmaster pump like the older GM stuff thats the point they all fail. the return line has a valve that lets out fuel and regulates the head pressure within the pump. if its getting plugged up due to worn parts tossing debries into the return valve it will over presurize the distributor and over advance the pump timing and prevent the vehilce from starting glow plugs or not. the way to test is to remove the return line valve that screws into the pump. turn key and see if it starts. if it does you found the problem.
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Old November 1st, 2007, 09:13 PM   #9
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It sound like its getting some fuel due to the white smoke, try plugging it in and getting the block warm? If it does not have oil pressure it will not start, the injectors are regulated by oil pressure, something else to check.
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Old November 1st, 2007, 10:03 PM   #10
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It sound like its getting some fuel due to the white smoke, try plugging it in and getting the block warm? If it does not have oil pressure it will not start, the injectors are regulated by oil pressure, something else to check.
Oil presure is good, or so my in dash gauge says it is atleast :tonka:
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Old November 1st, 2007, 11:58 PM   #11
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I can't say for sure since I am a GM diesel guy, but its either Glow plugs/relay or the fuel distributor acting up based on miles. if it has a roostmaster pump like the older GM stuff thats the point they all fail. the return line has a valve that lets out fuel and regulates the head pressure within the pump. if its getting plugged up due to worn parts tossing debries into the return valve it will over presurize the distributor and over advance the pump timing and prevent the vehilce from starting glow plugs or not. the way to test is to remove the return line valve that screws into the pump. turn key and see if it starts. if it does you found the problem.
1995 is a DI motor and does not have the octopus pump that the NA motors did.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 08:20 PM   #12
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Have you tried turning the key off after the wait to start light goes off and turn it on again and wait until the wait to start light goes off again then try to start it. Thats what I have to do cause I need to change my glow plugs too.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 09:59 PM   #13
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check fuse #22

plug in the block heater for 3 hours and try again.

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Old November 7th, 2007, 10:01 PM   #14
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Before I changed the glowplugs in mine, I had to wait 20 seconds or so with the key on, way after the light went out to wait to start. Then I would turn the key off, cycle back on, wait 10 seconds or so, then it would start.

Without doing that, it would do exactly what you're saying
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Old November 7th, 2007, 11:05 PM   #15
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FYI- the glowplugs stay on for about a minute in this weather, eventhough the WTS light goes off after about 6-8 seconds. You can watch thte volt gauge to see when the GPs come on and go off. Just turn the key until the WTS light comes on and wait... watch the volt gauge and you'll see the gage bump back up after a while, depending on how your system is working.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 08:39 PM   #16
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Tomorrow is "get the tow rig to tow something" day . . .

Thanks for all the imput and suggestions!! I'm going to replace the glow plugs and relay and do all of the other suggestions tomorrow in hope that it'll start up and pull my jeep to Tellico in two weeks!!
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Old November 11th, 2007, 09:37 PM   #17
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how did it go man?
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Old November 12th, 2007, 04:31 PM   #18
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It starts

It is 65 outside though :tonka:

I get good voltage to all plugs so I'm sure it'll start when it's cold. That wobble extension suggestion by Bones and the members of the PS Forum was a life saver

Thanks for all the suggestions and helpful tips!!
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Old November 14th, 2007, 10:47 PM   #19
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Nah, you should be good..if your rig is approaching 130k you should have to start going through that kind of stuff anyhow. we had to do the same thing with my dads 95 powerstroke when it hit 110k. after that my dad's powerstroke started great. there were even a couple sub zero starts with no plug in! (very VERY grumpy start)
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