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Old October 14th, 2007, 02:10 PM   #1
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the dems are going to push this through just to fukc the US forces in the middle east a little more. how is that not treason? P.S. the kurds are one of the few ethnic groups i whole heartedly root for, and would love to see them have their own nation.

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The congressional resolution comes as the Turkish parliament debates authorizing a military campaign into northern Iraq to root out rebels who seek a unified, independent nation for Kurds in the region.

U.S. officials have urged Turkey not to send troops and appealed for a diplomatic solution with Iraq. The Kurdish self-rule region in northern Iraq is one of the country's few relatively stable areas and the Kurds here are also a longtime U.S. ally.
in order to fight bushes little war we have aligned ourselves with some fairly bad people
turkey is not a democratic or free society in the least
and there planning on attacking the Kurds, and there making a big deal out of this old news about what they most def. did (genocide is an accurate label)
and there using this BS to justify doing what they really want to do, kill Kurds.
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in order to fight bushes little war we have aligned ourselves with some fairly bad people
turkey is not a democratic or free society in the least
and there planning on attacking the Kurds, and there making a big deal out of this old news about what they most def. did (genocide is an accurate label)
and there using this BS to justify doing what they really want to do, kill Kurds.
thats the thing, everyone knows what they did was genocide, but the are going to push this just to spite the bush administration. thats pretty damn low. this also affects our troops in iraq. what happens when they cant get the supplies they need? why cant we unify and win this? i know we can win, we have kicked the shit out of greater military forces than these towel head baby killers that we are fighting now. we need to unify and deal with this, our country needs a win, my generation needs a win. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Abraham Lincoln
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thats the thing, everyone knows what they did was genocide, but the are going to push this just to spite the bush administration. thats pretty damn low. this also affects our troops in iraq. what happens when they cant get the supplies they need? why cant we unify and win this? i know we can win, we have kicked the shit out of greater military forces than these towel head baby killers that we are fighting now. we need to unify and deal with this, our country needs a win, my generation needs a win. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Abraham Lincoln
because we cant win stevo, if we were fighting a military force i would have a dif. opinion, but we are not.
for every one we kill we make three more
our boys fight with a code of conduct
they fight by any means necessary.

there are to many factors involved and we were never on firm ground going in.
the only thing we can really do for our men now is to bring them home, stop letting them die for the sake of the pride of one very bad president and his band fools
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But Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, said the measure was "irresponsible."

"Listen, there's no question that the suffering of the Armenian people some 90 years ago was extreme. But what happened 90 years ago ought to be a subject for historians to sort out, not politicians here in Washington,"
I see no reason to be bringing this up right now, and lots of reasons not to.
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The USA did not bring the genocide measure up, 23 other countries have already approved it. If we want to promote a "Democratic" rule of law, as we are trying to do in Iraq, we must necessarily condemn genocide. That is, after all, one of the reasons we invaded Iraq right? To get rid of the man who killed tons of kurds? If we all of a sudden say that the armenian genocide was not, in fact, genocide, we have no legs to stand on.

Face it, the Bush administration has got itself and our country into a politcal war that is going to do more and more damage to to credibility and foriegn relations the longer we pursue it.
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because we cant win steveo
that is the kind of defeatist attitude that has been fucking us since Vietnam. i know damn well we could win, and we could win with less troops, but we suck so much UN ass we cant even fight a proper war anymore. look a ww2, we killed so many Japanese civilians with our bombing raids it should be considered genocide. add to that the atomic attacks, and the military forces we often had to kill to the last man. we did what was necessary, and those men will forever be considered hero's, not only for their actions, but for the positive light that was shed on them. the point of war is to defeat your enemy, not to make everyone feel good. we can still win this war, but only if everyone commits to it. but with pelosi and the communist party in charge of congress, they are going to keep slitting our throats.
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the only thing we can really do for our men now is to bring them home, stop letting them die for the sake of the pride of one very bad president and his band fools
It's not just G.W. Bush's war. That is what the and the major press want you to believe becuse they hate Bush for what he stands for.
Congress voted unanimously to go to war, I think Pelosi was the only dissenting vote.
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It's not just G.W. Bush's war. That is what the and the major press want you to believe becuse they hate Bush for what he stands for.
Congress voted unanimously to go to war, I think Pelosi was the only dissenting vote.
i was not born yesterday i remember the vote, the inaccurate info BS and the whole 9 yards.
my info isn't fed to me and i make up my mind, everything you have said is common knowledge, just because Conservative talk show hosts say that having an opinion that isn't fed to them by there party means that they are a victim of the liberal press and are not paying attention to the real Truth does not make it so.
I'm not going to explain my over all political view to you as it is in this forum many times already replying to people like you who think that pigeon holing me into your narrow view of how the word works
i am not a Dem, i am not a lib.
i am not uninformed or uneducated and i do weigh both sides before making my mind up on a subject. so save your anti media propaganda for some one else
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that is the kind of defeatist attitude that has been fucking us since Vietnam. i know damn well we could win, and we could win with less troops, but we suck so much UN ass we cant even fight a proper war anymore. look a ww2, we killed so many Japanese civilians with our bombing raids it should be considered genocide. add to that the atomic attacks, and the military forces we often had to kill to the last man. we did what was necessary, and those men will forever be considered hero's, not only for their actions, but for the positive light that was shed on them. the point of war is to defeat your enemy, not to make everyone feel good. we can still win this war, but only if everyone commits to it. but with pelosi and the communist party in charge of congress, they are going to keep slitting our throats.
to win in the fashion you speak of would be a short victory, it would most likely get us into a world war in the middle east, while alienating us from our allies, leaving us alone to fight, we would lose our main oil supply's, and with bush having already pissed off the #2 largest oil supply collective we would find ourselves defenseless very quickly and economically devastated

like i tried to express to you before, its more complicated then go in and kick ass.
this is not a defeatist attitude this is a pragmatic look at a very real situation
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i was not born yesterday i remember the vote, the inaccurate info BS and the whole 9 yards.
my info isn't fed to me and i make up my mind, everything you have said is common knowledge, just because Conservative talk show hosts say that having an opinion that isn't fed to them by there party means that they are a victim of the liberal press and are not paying attention to the real Truth does not make it so.
I'm not going to explain my over all political view to you as it is in this forum many times already replying to people like you who think that pigeon holing me into your narrow view of how the word works
i am not a Dem, i am not a lib.
i am not uninformed or uneducated and i do weigh both sides before making my mind up on a subject. so save your anti media propaganda for some one else

lol, j/k. but your stated views do closely match the democratic "GWB is a poopoo head" stance. glad to hear someone around here has original thoughts in their head
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lol, j/k. but your stated views do closely match the democratic "GWB is a poopoo head" stance. glad to hear someone around here has original thoughts in their head
yes but you know better im no ones puppet
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to win in the fashion you speak of would be a short victory, it would most likely get us into a world war in the middle east, while alienating us from our allies, leaving us alone to fight, we would lose our main oil supply's, and with bush having already pissed off the #2 largest oil supply collective we would find ourselves defenseless very quickly and economically devastated

like i tried to express to you before, its more complicated then go in and kick ass.
this is not a defeatist attitude this is a pragmatic look at a very real situation
how long do we have until ww3 sam? its inevitable. ask the French how grateful the Muslims are for their not supporting our war on terror. the threat is looming, its a cyclical event. we are really way past ww3 if you look at all the major wars of the past 300 years. dont cry to me about oil. you know my family's main business is oil drilling/pumping. every 3 months i get 2 4-5 hundred dollar checks from a small percentage in 2 local wells. i would welcome our nation being cut off from middle eastern oil. i bet the bastids who are trying to protect Alaska from oil drilling would switch sides if that happened.
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how long do we have until ww3 sam? its inevitable. ask the French how grateful the Muslims are for their not supporting our war on terror. the threat is looming, its a cyclical event. we are really way past ww3 if you look at all the major wars of the past 300 years. dont cry to me about oil. you know my family's main business is oil drilling/pumping. every 3 months i get 2 4-5 hundred dollar checks from a small percentage in 2 local wells. i would welcome our nation being cut off from middle eastern oil. i bet the bastids who are trying to protect Alaska from oil drilling would switch sides if that happened.
and you know that the oil here in mi is of really poor quality (yes thee are a couple of exceptions Mio, kalava) and that we are almost tapped.
i subscribe to oil and gas news, your uncles rig and rokasas rig are the only two still going after oil. jacks rig hit a couple in mio last spring (not even close to sweet crude)
but other than that no one is doing shit

lots of antrim gas wells, but we don't even use that form of natural gas here because its energy yield is so low.
anyone that doesn't realize the pump is running dry needs to come up here to the patch and see whats going on, cuz its getting bad

as for ww3, no we are not there yet, and i hope we can prevent it from ever happening
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as for ww3, no we are not there yet, and i hope we can prevent it from ever happening
hell, i wish junk food was healthy, pussy was free, and wheeling was legal everywhere. people have this Armageddon picture of ww3 in their head where everyone dies and comes back as mutants. what is a world war? in ww1&2 many nations had no part in it. if a world war is defined as the worlds superpowers fighting, then the Napoleonic wars were world wars, look at the Crimean war, the crusades, the roman conquering of Europe, the middle east, and northern Africa, Alexander the great, etc. admittedly, with the advent of nuclear and biological weapons, the next world war is gonna be a bitch, but as to preventing it, you might as well try to stop a train.
on the oil note, we are no where nears being tapped out of oil and natural gas, but we are severely limited in the where, when and how of drilling for it.
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if i become a mutant, i hope it is in the form of growing a second pecker
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if i become a mutant, i hope it is in the form of growing a second pecker
if i was you i would worry bout getting to use the one you have first, and not just on cube.
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