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Old July 7th, 2007, 10:06 AM   #1
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I wrote to the bills sponsor and this is what I got in return...

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The bill has not yet been scheduled for a hearing in the Senate. I have heard that it may receive a hearing this fall. I would encourage you to contact your Senator on this legislation and ask that it be given a hearing.

-Joel
I suggest everyone who can make use of this bill write the senator of your chosing to make some noise about this bill. if we don't keep on them it will slip through the cracks.

http://www.senate.michigan.gov/Senat...ur-senator.htm
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MOVING FORWARD WITH HB 4323

September 12, 2007
MMRC #19 Please post and forward

Having spent the afternoon in Lansing yesterday visiting various Senate offices, there is no reason we cannot get HB 4323 through the Senate, but it will take some serious effort on our part. There is little visible that should dampen our spirit! The budget process has things in quite the turmoil at the moment, that shall pass by the end of the month.

Again, my Thanks for all your efforts, all I had to do was mention 4323 and they said “the ORV Bill”. We have made our presence known. Thank You!

Our plans are as follows;

WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 10TH, we will visit Lansing hand out questionnaires to every Senator asking them if they are supportive of HB 4323 as passed in the House. If they have issues with the Bill, would they please attach them to their return response? Included in the packet will be a brief overview of HB 4323 and a list of counties having an ORV Ordinance and its date of inception.

We will need some 12-15 volunteers to help do this. Need those who are good at speaking on their feet and feel comfortable in business attire. Most important, have good knowledge of HB 4323 and that information is available and you will be coached in advance. Please contact the following if you are interested, Thomas Dunn representing AMA D-14, Chuck Smith representing ATVOC, Lewis Shuler representing CCC, Pat Brower representing GLFWD, Dick Ranney representing MMRC/AMA D-14. Those in the UP, continue contacting Senator Prusi and Senator Allen.

To coincide with that, we need you to continue to send e-mails to your Senator urging the passage of HB 4323. From October 10th and a short period thereafter, we need a blitz of e-mails to Lansing.

In addition, we need letters of support on HB 4323 from governmental agencies such as County Commissions, Township Boards, Road Commissions, Sheriff’s Departments, Chambers of Commerce and Tourists Associations. Also included in this list should be a formal letter from user groups and each club. Especially from those considering an ordinance.

The letters need to be sent to the Senator for the District, and copied to;

Senator Patricia Birkholz (R), Chair, Natural Resources and Environmental Affairs
senpbirkholz@senate.michigan.gov

Senator Michael D. Bishop (R), Majority Leader
senmbishop@senate.michigan.gov

It would be advantageous for us to have some rallies, especially in metropolitan areas, if you have any ideas and locations, give me a call @ 989 469-2405.


In addition to HB 4323, there are other issues we are dealing with in Lansing regarding ORV use in Michigan.

800 MILES OF NEW TRAIL, this is being wrangled with by Michigan Motorized Recreation Council by representatives of each user group. Give each one of those participating a lot of respect, it is not an easy task, but MMRC continues to move forward on this and it is expected to go on for several years before the final mile is on the ground. A huge amount of paperwork and the same for patience.

LONG RANGE FINACIAL PLANNING, We expect those discussions to begin this fall and it will be a ten year spending plan to manage Michigan’s ORV trail system. These discussions will be followed by the need for additional legislation in various areas of Public Act 451, 324.81101-50.

REVISIONS OF 811 Similar to the above, but a separate set of meetings. There is a group in the House that would like to have a Caucus that meets periodically to review ORV law and make adjustments to keep abreast of the times.

All these issues tie into one another with many details to get handled making for a rather sizeable agenda. It will take the efforts of many to get them resolved even close to everyone’s satisfaction along with years of effort.

We are moving along rather nicely, but as usual in politics, far too slow. Let us not forget, it took three major efforts to get the current laws establishing Michigan’s ORV Trail System a few decades back. We have a good shot of winning this one on the first try, but only with your continued involvement.


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We will need some 12-15 volunteers to help do this. Need those who are good at speaking on their feet and feel comfortable in business attire. Most important, have good knowledge of HB 4323 and that information is available and you will be coached in advance.

To coincide with that, we need you to continue to send e-mails to your Senator urging the passage of HB 4323. From October 10th and a short period thereafter, we need a blitz of e-mails to Lansing.The letters need to be sent to the Senator for the District, and copied toSenator Patricia Birkholz (R), Chair, Natural Resources and Environmental AffairsSenator Michael D. Bishop (R), Majority Leader

I'll already be there, working for my Senator. You'll have to go through me to get to him :tonka:

and Yay, more stuff to read at work. Just please don't send form letters; we hate those and they're not productive, just shows that people are a bunch of lemmings and don't actually put any real thought or research into what they are trying to talk to us about.

Good luck, I've talked to the GOP senators on the committee and they're mostly in favor of it, with a few changes, but there is politics ( vs ) going on behind the scenes that has nothing to do with the legislation itself...that is partly (and b/c of the budget issue) why there has been no committee movement.
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Thanks MiniJ!

Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound USEFUL!

Wanna help with some other issues?
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Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound USEFUL!

Wanna help with some other issues?

Hahaha....what exactly do you have in mind? :tonka:

I do try to help where I can, but I have to be careful that it's not a conflict of interest, or something my boss is against.
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Hahaha....what exactly do you have in mind? :tonka:

I do try to help where I can, but I have to be careful that it's not a conflict of interest, or something my boss is against.
Did you ever tell us which Senator you work for?
Just curious.
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HB 4323 BULLETIN


December 7, 2007

MICHIGAN MOTORIZED RECREATION COUNCIL

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

In a phone conservation this morning with one of our contacts in Lansing, we were informed that a hearing will be held on HB 4323 in 2008. At this time, the schedule is extremely busy, with some very high priority items needing immediate attention.

As we progress on this Bill, we cannot stress enough, the single most important thing is for people to contact their State Senator and let them know they support HB 4323 “as presented from the House”. One can bet the opposition is letting their position known.

We as members of the ORV community and residents want HB 4323 placed into law for the following reasons;

SAFETY: HB 4323 will place stronger emphasis on “adult visual supervision”.
HB 4323 will give us more hours of enforcement by County Sheriff’s.
HB 4323 will not permit anyone under 12 on public roadways.
HB 4323 sets a state wide maximum speed of ORV’s on a roadway.

CONVIENANCE:
HB 4323 will permit you the user to use your ORV for literally dozens of errands by the
using public roadway where permitted by local ordinance.

INCREASED RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITY:
HB 4323 where permitted by local ordinance will allow you ride to the gas station,
corner store, the neighbors, ride around the square or perhaps from West Branch
to Cheboygan or across the UP, using county roads.

ECONOMIC BENEFIT:
HB 4323 will become an economic generator for Michigan with 350,000 ORV’s
currently titled. 4323 will give people a reason to get out and enjoy Michigan’s
great outdoors.

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION:
HB 4323 provides some very stiff penalties for those who do damage to the
the most sensitive areas of our environment.

During this Holiday Season as you circulate among friends and family and other users, encourage them to contact their State Senator and express their support of HB 4323 “as presented from the House”. There is no better time than now for your voice to be heard in your State Senators office.
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I just saw this...I work for Sen. Ron Jelinek. He represents Berrien, Cass and Van Buren Counties. He's also the Senate Appropriations Committee Chair.

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The schedule in the Natural Resources Committee is dealing with Water Withdrawal issues. That is a hot and controversial topic and will not get solved right away, so probably not much else will get done in that committee until that's resolved.


As we progress on this Bill, we cannot stress enough, the single most important thing is for people to contact their State Senator and let them know they support HB 4323 “as presented from the House”. One can bet the opposition is letting their position known.


I haven't seen much opposition to it from constituents, but then again, right now it wouldn't affect counties in Southwest Michigan so I doubt they're even aware of it unless they have a a cabin up north.
I do know my boss is opposed to it. He says he is undecided but is leaning no. The reasons: Will Southern Counties be asked to legalize ORVs on the shoulder in the future? and How do you adequately enforce speed and ridership?

I've tried explaining to him the details of it, but he seems unconvinced at this point. Guess we'll see what happens if it ever gets out of committee.
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I just saw this...I work for Sen. Ron Jelinek. He represents Berrien, Cass and Van Buren Counties. He's also the Senate Appropriations Committee Chair.



I do know my boss is opposed to it. He says he is undecided but is leaning no. The reasons: Will Southern Counties be asked to legalize ORVs on the shoulder in the future? and How do you adequately enforce speed and ridership?

I've tried explaining to him the details of it, but he seems unconvinced at this point. Guess we'll see what happens if it ever gets out of committee.

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HB 4323 MOVING?


All indications are YES! In talking with a Senate contact, I was instructed to start getting our things together. Subject matter, people and FACTS! We will have about a four day notice before the hearing date. Everything must be in power point presentation and six copies. Appears we are just a few weeks out before a final decision.

We can continue to some degree on our present theme, HB 4323 IS INTENDED TO MANAGE THE ORV ACTIVITY and will do so by INCREASING SAFETY by having additional enforcement, INCREASED ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION providing for stiffer penalties. CONVIENANCE to the user for the simple errands. INCREASED RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITY, giving locals and tourist reason to enjoy Michigan’s out of doors. Creating an ECONOMIC GENERATOR for the entire state in taxes collected, increased tourism and jobs provided.

We need the following to step up with facts in hand on economic benefit, presentations supported by fact regarding safety matters. We need plans on how your community or county, has or may offer, activity concerning ORV use such as routes, trails in the area, campgrounds.

Give me a call at 989 469-2405 if you think you may have something we can use. We MUST remember, the more fact we offer, the better chance we have of winning. We CANNOT go into the hearing with our comments based on emotions! Everything offered will be placed before the proper people and judged on what to use and what not. Every single area is important as we must educate the Senators on the Committee and those on the floor for the final vote.

Waiting for your response.



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OFFICIAL NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING

HB 4323

March 13, 2008

MICHIGAN MOTORIZED RECREATION COUNCIL

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

We received official notification from the Clerk of the Senate Natural Resources and Environmental Committee this afternoon. The Senate hearing on the bill will be;


Wednesday, April 16, 2008
1:00 p.m.

Farnam Building

Lansing, Michigan

(Located on the SE corner, across from the Capitol)



More information to follow and will be posted on www.ama-d14.org.

Your participation is vital to the final outcome of HB 4323. Start making your plans now to carpool or rent a bus to attend the public hearing. You may wish to organize an e-mail/phone call blitz from your area. The participation of users residing in metropolitan areas of southern Michigan is extremely important to our success!


Any questions you may have, contact Dick Ranney, Coordinator, MMRC @ 989 469-2405.
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APRIL 16, 2008 IS YOUR DAY


April 16, 2008, 1:00 pm is date and time set by the Chair of the Senate Committee of Natural Resources and Environmental Affairs, Senator Patricia Birkholz. The Committee will meet and hear testimony from the people on House Bill 4323.

In a brief explanation, HB 4323 once passed into law will permit an ORV to operate to the “far right” on 70% of northern Michigan roadways, upon adoption of an ordinance adopted by local jurisdiction.

This will mean in most counties, you will be able to use your ORV to obtain gas, food and lodging, ride from your campground, motel, cabin or home on 70% or more of the county roadways in northern Michigan. You will be able to ride to the trailhead, run an errand or take a simple evening ride on back roads.

HB 4323 applies to Bay, Gladwin, Clare, Osceola, Lake, Mason and those counties north, for the remainder of the state.

Maximum speed will be 25 mph, helmet, eye protection required and all youths must be 12, have a DNR ORV Safety Certificate and be accompanied by an adult. All Public Act 300 traffic laws must be obeyed.

We are asking for your support and to be in Lansing on April 16th if at all possible. Here is the plan;

We need as many as possible to show up with an ORV in the back of a pickup and park in the Capitol area.

We need you to come inside the Farnum Building, (Senate Office Building) and fill out a card that you were there, please, do not mark the box you wish to speak, there is a reason.

We then need you to go outside on the sidewalk and join others with a sign in hand with your proper statement as to why you want 4323 passed. It is your day, be polite, from your heart and in the interest of the sport, make your statement. Poster board and Sharpies are fine, but make them neat; this is not a high school car wash. Be prepared for the press and remember, any comments you make, reflects on 350,000 plus other users and the advancement of our sport.





A good statement on your sign would be, ” list your county, Supports HB 4323”

Before you leave, be sure and visit your Senators office, a simple elevator ride away, or a walk across the corner in the basement of the Capitol. Express to your Senator or one of their staff, your support of HB 4323. This may be the most significant thing you do all day. We will have people there to give you directions to the Senate offices.

Why not speak? There are several people who are very well versed in what needs to be said to discredit our oppositions expected statements in the eyes of the Committee. We want our story to be told. The hearing will last about 1 ½ to 2 hours, tops. If we miss the opportunity of having someone speak that is really well prepared and their statements are vital, that could be very detrimental to our cause.

In the end, the Chair determines who speaks and who don’t.

Our objective remains, to get HB 4323 passed “as presented” to manage the sport of ORV activity in the interest of safety, environmental protection, increased recreational opportunity and economic benefit.

At this point, looks as if this day will be a “happening” with several groups considering hiring a bus, some have, carpooling or participating in the pickup brigade. With good effort, we will see the day when we can leave the cabin in Gladwin and ride via the back roads, all the way to the bridge or ride across the UP from DeTour to Ontanogan. An awesome family vacation!

HB 4323 will make it possible for us to host several types of events such a rally’s, jamborees and other organized events that we read about in other states.

A win with HB 4323 will pave the way for us to gain further legislation that will enhance our sport even more. The future of our sport depends a lot on your participation the 16th of April! Watch the various ORV websites for updates.

Submitted by Dick Ranney

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THE HEARING




April 17, 2008
Michigan Motorized Recreation Council
For Immediate Release:

Yesterdays Senate HB 4323 hearing is now history, with hundreds of ORV user’s and community leaders attending, creating a standing room only crowd of supporters for the bill.

Hearing time was limited to one hour and a half, those directly involved felt the message given by speakers representing user’s, user groups, Chairmen of County Commissions and enforcement people, was very well stated.

It was a bit disappointing to have some of the user groups most valued speakers not invited to the speakers table, but our message was delivered adequate enough to take discussions to the next level, even with a shortened hearing because of the necessity to set up technical equipment for the next hearing that day.

Many questions were posed by the Senators of various speakers and proper answers given.

Opposition was stated by DEQ, DNR, MSP, MDOT along with CRAM, (County Road Association of Michigan) and the insurance industry.

MMRC member organizations gathered considerable information from across the nation and included it within a packet for the Senators to review and study for the possibility the Senate Committee on Natural Resources and Environmental Affairs voting the bill out of committee as early as April 30th.

Michigan’s Secretary of State’s office most current ORV data shows over 358,000 titled Off Road Recreational (ORV’s) vehicles. Then add the SOS
plated trucks and the SOS plated motorcycles. Vehicles within those two groups may display an ORV Trail Permit, making them classified an ORV, it is reasonable to assume, there are 400,000 ORV’s operating in Michigan.

A group of that magnitude certainly will have an economic impact of significance to our states economy and a need to have proper management programs in place such as HB 4323. Other projects in the planning process are improvements to our safety training program, revisions of ORV law which has not been updated since 1995 and Long Range financial planning for one of Michigan’s gems, the ORV Trail system.

Our Thanks to all who have taken the time to become involved in the political process of our democracy, by sending a letter, an e-mail, making a phone call to a legislator attending the hearing, or participating in your area. Every single effort counts and your voice is being heard!

Now to proceed and see what we can do to address all the legal aspects and reach some sort of compromise so that we can further manage the sport of ORV activity in the interest of safety, environmental protection, increased recreational opportunity and economic benefit for the people and to the benefit of our great state of Michigan.


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Lest anyone believes this anywhere close to reality. Those that would have to deal with this new activity are all opposed to it's passage. This just goes to show how much those who are suppose to be supporting our recreation, namely the DNR, are actually working against it.
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