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Old September 13th, 2007, 09:16 PM   #61
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O well, I'm off this topic. It's just sad that so many people believe what they were told. Some call it the truth, I call it a sham.

I'm also surprised that out of the thousands that are on GL4x4 there isn't another person that at least has doubts about 9/11, There probably are some folks but just don't want to be that person. I'm glad to be that person and if you have any doubts about me I just want to let you know that I have just as much fun wheeling as all you guys that think it was caused by terrorist
Personally, I do not have much faith in news media either. I lived in Canada most of my life and noticed a lot of selective news coverage going on. ie. cover up a drive by shooting in a real nice area of town.
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Old September 13th, 2007, 09:36 PM   #62
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I love the free fall bullshit.

Ok unlimited...lets drop a car on you and see if you hit the ground at free fall speed. I bet you don't slow the car down one bit.
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Old September 13th, 2007, 09:41 PM   #63
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I'm also surprised that out of the thousands that are on GL4x4 there isn't another person that at least has doubts about 9/11,
If you look around, and EVERYONE is crazy.....maybe you aren't the sane one.

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Old September 13th, 2007, 10:00 PM   #64
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So this fire rages up and down the building to cause the whole structure to weaken to the point of total collapse in a way that it falls down at near free fall speed. The house around the block for me burned for 4 hours and the heating oil exploded and the house collapsed but guess what, the steal beam in the basement was still standing strong. Amazing when I compare that it was I guess built better then a commercial building that requires the steal to have fire protection unlike that of a common house. O yeah, the building fall in on itself and then another section fell and then another wall. I guess you could call that pancake effect since the bottom gave out where the fire was but it sure didn't happen at free fall speed.
The house around the corner from you wasn't a fifty story building supported by steel. It is a wood structure. Wood will hold together better in a fire as with steel you have more of a load to support and the wood won't expand in the same fashion as steel. Collapse will happen with wood structures though in that the wood beams get weakened by fire and water load from extinguishment and fail.

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I'm surprised you fight any fires knowing that a fire can cause steal to just melt and weaken to the point that it becomes molten. Wouldn't you be scared to even go inside when you compare it to a giant building such as the WTC could fall in just after an hour or so after burning. I guess that jet fuel was the shit since it took WTC7 seven hours to fall. Good thing there isn't a lot of jet fuel around for "terrorist" to get their hands on since they now know of how deadly it really is.
Good god man, have you even read the article I sent the link to? Steel doesn't melt. The structural integrity of the steel is comprimised. At 1000 degrees steel expands about 6 inches for every hundred foot. The steel expands which causes it to twist and push out on the load bearing walls. Once on wall starts to push out it can no longer be a load bearing wall and it goes. The remaining beams fail as they are not built to withstand the great amount of weight that is suddenly placed on them. This leads to what is called a pancake collapse.

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Another thing is that I'm surprised that these fuel cells in the basement coudl catch on fire soooo quickly. I mean you would think that if the side and top was damaged that the sub-basement a few flows below ground level would be atleast a little protected. I guess not though since they no doubtly in your mind caused this huge building to collapse.

Lets look at the video again and just be amazed at how a fire can cause something like this.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/322787/wtc_7_fall_4/

Man I sure am glad that those fires in Cali during the last major earthquake didn't burn as hot as the ones in NY. Just think of all those sky scrapers that caught fire and didn't fall to the ground. They all would have fallen down if they were a few thousand miles to the east so you say in your explaination.


Edit: I also love how you can just put your views out their but have to say stuff like, "Did you realize that all that marijuana you smoke makes you paranoid?" and the Ms. O'Donnald stuff. Interesting tactics which well, defiantly doesn't make me take your oppinion for what it might be worth. You could learn alot from Duffman for example. Disagreed with a lot of stuff people say but always puts for an intelligent well written statement of what he believes without the name calling. Duffman has my respect
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From the article that you still have not read....
"Trusses on the fifth and seventh floors of the building were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another; with the south face heavily damaged, the other columns were likely overtaxed. In engineering terms, the “progressive collapse” began on the eastern side, when weakened columns failed from the damage and fire. The entire building fell in on itself as the slumping east side dragged down the west side in a diagonal pattern. Still, damage to the Verizon Building (see p. 21 of this report), directly west of WTC7, and to Fiterman Hall (see here) directly north, show that it was hardly an orderly collapse."


I would put money that says that nearly 80 percent of the people on this board have seen the "conpiracy theory" videos that say it was all a government set up. Lets just say that some folks have more common sense than others and see a conspiracy theory for what it is.... a half baked idea that someone cooked up while sitting in the basement of their mommy's home while playing video games. Did you check out the articles that people have posted in regards to debunking the myths? Read them!

As far as me calling names...I am a smart ass. Its me. I am sorry I hurt your fragile ego but take it or leave it...R.osie
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Old September 13th, 2007, 10:01 PM   #65
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As far as me calling names...I am a smart ass. Its me. I am sorry I hurt your fragile ego but take it or leave it...R.osie
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Old September 13th, 2007, 10:06 PM   #66
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this is a good read about 9/11 conspiracy theories

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons
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Old September 13th, 2007, 10:10 PM   #67
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the steel did melt though. Rescue Workers have talked about molten steel being in the wreckage for up to two weeks after the planes crashed.
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Old September 13th, 2007, 10:14 PM   #68
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this is a good read about 9/11 conspiracy theories

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons
LOL - great find!!!
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Old September 13th, 2007, 10:49 PM   #69
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The Bush regime will end and we will have the absolute truth delivered to us in unbiased form by the most honest and well respected Hillary Clinton.

Also, there will be no more poverty, no more homeless, no more cancer or AIDS and Michigan's economy will rebound.
That settles it. I know how I'm voting now- I just started my last set of BCG treatments, and my Tiny Johnson hurts like hell again because of it. My cancer was caused by the Bush administration, and I now know Hillary will make it all better.

Thank you for showing me the light, sCoOtEr

(I will now quit my job and live off of welfare)
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Old September 14th, 2007, 10:59 AM   #71
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Two quick fact to re-state
1. neither building fell at free fall speed.
free fall speed would be 9.22 seconds
South fell in 15 seconds and North fell in 22 seconds

2. at 1000 degrees steel loses half of its strength and at 1,800 it loses 90% of its strength

And her is a link to the "mystery' behind the melted metal
http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm
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