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Old August 29th, 2007, 11:19 AM   #21
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Buy an older diesel, In my 2002 F-250 I get 22-21 mpg, while towing I get nothing less then 16mpg. In my opinion get the 7.3L powerstroke or the 24V cummins in a dodge you will be much happier.

yeah I would prolly agree with that. Or the duramax is pretty good too. My brother bought one new in 01 has 180K on it now and the only thing he has done is batteries and alternator. He also has been running a super chip since about 40k miles. My next diesel will be a duramax!
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Old August 29th, 2007, 11:28 AM   #22
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At 70mph on the freeway we get 18mpg in our 2003 Dodge Diesel.

At 80 it goes down to 13mpg.

Pulling our 35 foot fifth wheel trailer with a custom made extension out the back with 12" I-beams and a 6000w diesel generator on it and a 75 gallon semi truck diesel tank, we get around 12mpg.


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Old August 30th, 2007, 05:35 PM   #23
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My next rig will be a Dodge, after all "I'd rather be Cummin' than Strokin""
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Old August 30th, 2007, 06:28 PM   #24
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Get a Duramax ! My buddy tows his 5th wheel on vacation wit h2 other families , one has a ford the other a dodge . He says he getting nearly 20 mpg and leaving the others behind . He said when they were going thru Tenn all he saw was the other two rigs and black smoke behind them LOL. But if you are going to get a new diesel get a 07 classic ! The new one have the new gov regulated exhaust on them that dump raw fuel in them to burn out the cat . After 4 burns at 1200 degrees the exhuast is dead ! And you will be helping me keep my job :-)
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Old August 30th, 2007, 08:39 PM   #25
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Get a Duramax ! My buddy tows his 5th wheel on vacation wit h2 other families , one has a ford the other a dodge . He says he getting nearly 20 mpg and leaving the others behind . He said when they were going thru Tenn all he saw was the other two rigs and black smoke behind them LOL. But if you are going to get a new diesel get a 07 classic ! The new one have the new gov regulated exhaust on them that dump raw fuel in them to burn out the cat . After 4 burns at 1200 degrees the exhuast is dead ! And you will be helping me keep my job :-)
He does not get 20 mpg towing a 5th wheel, and WTF are you talking about "After 4 burns at 1200 degrees the exhuast is dead !"

You've been fed lies Newride. The diesel particulate filter (DPF) collects all the "black smoke" and keeps it trapped until regeneration. Diesel is injected at a metered rate to burn off the particulates. This is normal and the emissions systems are warrantied (by a government mandate) for at least 120K miles. A "dead exhaust after 4 burns" is highly unlikely, and if it does happen, it is covered for free.

Stop talking nonsense.
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He does not get 20 mpg towing a 5th wheel, and WTF are you talking about "After 4 burns at 1200 degrees the exhuast is dead !"

You've been fed lies Newride. The diesel particulate filter (DPF) collects all the "black smoke" and keeps it trapped until regeneration. Diesel is injected at a metered rate to burn off the particulates. This is normal and the emissions systems are warrantied (by a government mandate) for at least 120K miles. A "dead exhaust after 4 burns" is highly unlikely, and if it does happen, it is covered for free.

Stop talking nonsense.
Now now..... and remember, that engine goes 1.5 million miles without a tune up, too...
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and dont forget the allison, which is "the same trans they put in big rigs" PFFT yea they gather up all the burnt up ones and put them in a scrap trailer behind a big rig, thats as close as theyll get to a bigrig trans.
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20mpg towing a 5th wheel is complete bullshit. He either believes his mpg computer or he can't use a calculator. Either way, not a chance in hell of pulling the equivalent of a billboard down the highway sideways is going to result in 20mpg while "leaving the others behind". I doubt he gets much better than 20mpg empty, if that. Show some actual numbers and I'll believe it. Fill the tank to the top of the tube several times and record the useage. Then you can brag about fuel mileage.
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Well as far as the mpg ... I have no for sure way of telling ... as for the New diesels sucking ... I build 340 of them a freaking night and I know what they do .. And if your an engineer the DPF pipes suck and the threads on them need a pitch change !
Once you hit enough miles there is a burn off on the exhaust .. You are required to run at a consistent speed for 20 minutes, if you fail to do so the burn stops ... you have 3 chances to do this burn off before the computer puts you in a limp home mode and you are required to go to the dealership to have it "fixed" after 3 burn offs the cat is toast ! Thats coming for our engineers at the plant not something I'm pulling out of my ass. Yeah way to go new low sulfur diesel fuel
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One of the many reasons I like my 2004.5 CTD and B-20 biodiesel. The cat is going to take a trip to the pound very soon as well.
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And if your an engineer the DPF pipes suck and the threads on them need a pitch change !
huh? Do you build Cummins, Isuzu or internationals? How does building one of you make a systems engineer for all 3?


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Once you hit enough miles there is a burn off on the exhaust .. You are required to run at a consistent speed for 20 minutes, if you fail to do so the burn stops ... you have 3 chances to do this burn off before the computer puts you in a limp home mode and you are required to go to the dealership to have it "fixed" after 3 burn offs the cat is toast ! Thats coming for our engineers at the plant not something I'm pulling out of my ass. Yeah way to go new low sulfur diesel fuel

yeah, thats the shitty Dodge system (like I said earlier in the thread).

The Ford regen process doesn't require that.

If the Dodge cats can't take 3 regen cycles, they're screwed... as will you be.
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i've read the threads. seems like there is a lot of pride in what we all drive. personally i have a ford toner and nothing bad to say about it that has not been self induced. i don't sit and boast about what my truck can do and somebody elses cannot. the truth is the powerstroke, duramax, and the cummins are all consumer diesels. i've drivin all of them at length and there are redeeming qualities to all of them. an inline 6 will always produce more usable torque. a v-8 will always be smoother and produce more usable hp. and on and on and on. so the looming threat that dodge is going to loose cummings as a diesel power plant because cummins is a ford owned company......yea that whole thing........well that's gonna through a monkey wrench in the whole program. now ford offers the powerstroke, and the cummins in properly equiped trucks. so is ford gonna be the big dog because they offer two impressive diesels in their trucks? NO! they are the big dog because they also offer a CAT diesel in the same f-series frame. so until we can afford the CAT power we should shut our traps and let the CAT's run the road show. and i'm spent.
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ford doesn't own cummins.

At current production, Duramax is my #1 pick, but I can't afford the new 6.6L
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i've read the threads. seems like there is a lot of pride in what we all drive. personally i have a ford toner and nothing bad to say about it that has not been self induced. i don't sit and boast about what my truck can do and somebody elses cannot. the truth is the powerstroke, duramax, and the cummins are all consumer diesels. i've drivin all of them at length and there are redeeming qualities to all of them. an inline 6 will always produce more usable torque. a v-8 will always be smoother and produce more usable hp. and on and on and on. so the looming threat that dodge is going to loose cummings as a diesel power plant because cummins is a ford owned company......yea that whole thing........well that's gonna through a monkey wrench in the whole program. now ford offers the powerstroke, and the cummins in properly equiped trucks. so is ford gonna be the big dog because they offer two impressive diesels in their trucks? NO! they are the big dog because they also offer a CAT diesel in the same f-series frame. so until we can afford the CAT power we should shut our traps and let the CAT's run the road show. and i'm spent.

I hope you are joking. Ford does not own "Cummings" or even Cummins. Cummins owns Cummins. Ford BUYS Cummins produced diesels to put in their trucks, as does Chrysler.
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I hope you are joking. Ford does not own "Cummings" or even Cummins. Cummins owns Cummins. Ford BUYS Cummins produced diesels to put in their trucks, as does Chrysler.
my mistake. i was told some mis-info. but this does not change the fact that you can get a CAT Diesel in a ford f-series which in my very humble opinion and budget would rather have. thanks for the reply without any disdane in the words that you typed thats really nice of you. all i was really trying to say was that any of the three have redeeming qualities but i think that the CAT will spank any one of the others.
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You have to get what? A F550 or F650 to get a Cat in a Ford? I know up to the F-350, you have the choice of only the Powerstroke. Cummins is still the only diesel offered by the Big 3 in their regular pick-ups that is rated as medium duty. I would love to have a 4500/5500 Dodge with a Cat or even a bigger Cummins. Someday they will get it right.
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yeah, thats the shitty Dodge system (like I said earlier in the thread).

The Ford regen process doesn't require that.

If the Dodge cats can't take 3 regen cycles, they're screwed... as will you be.
Hate to break it to you but Our Duramax is having the same problems . Don't get me wrong I think that in todays market they are all pretty much great trucks and I'm not tryin to bite the hand that feeds me but before you buy anything compare them all . As of right now { from what I understand }the Duramax has the most power and is the quietest of all three. Good luck in whatever you get !
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At 70mph on the freeway we get 18mpg in our 2003 Dodge Diesel.

At 80 it goes down to 13mpg.

Pulling our 35 foot fifth wheel trailer with a custom made extension out the back with 12" I-beams and a 6000w diesel generator on it and a 75 gallon semi truck diesel tank, we get around 12mpg.


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thats about right on for what my dad was getting in his 03 DRW 3500 hauling 35' travel trailers.. the reports from the chevy / ford guys were single digit MPG's ..
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my 320,000 mile 97 powerstroke would get 22mpg to alpena and back religously
Before or after it dropped a valve into a cylinder?
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I forgot to add, if it says Cummins on the side, It's going to be better :tonka:
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