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Old August 28th, 2007, 02:43 PM   #1
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What do you guys think of a trailer with no brakes. There are a couple around my hood for sale at good prices and which I would imagine the good price is because of not having a brakes.

I'd be pulling my jeep with a F-250
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Old August 28th, 2007, 02:50 PM   #2
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It is scary pulling a 25 foot trailer with a pipe puller and irrigation tools without brakes. I can only imagine how f'ed up it would be pulling a Jeep with no brakes, especially one as nice as yours.
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Old August 28th, 2007, 02:53 PM   #3
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pick em up if cheap is cheap enough...you can pick up the entire brake assemblies, or even entire axles fairly cheap from the right stores.

wouldn't tow without the brakes though. not that it can't be done but it's kinda unsafe and not very pleasant
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if they have good dexter brakes, you can add brakes cheap. Most likely they have crappy axles, so I would stay clear. Towing a trailer with no brakes in worrysome enough... just wait until it is raining or even snowing...
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For a hundred you can get a brake set from TSC. So nab one if it's cheap enough to add a couple hundred in brakes to it.
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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:20 PM   #6
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For a hundred you can get a brake set from TSC. So nab one if it's cheap enough to add a couple hundred in brakes to it.
depends what axle it is
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If the price is right on the trailer. I would buy it. You can get electric brake kits from most trailer stores. They don't cost much. They are easy to wire up. Just get yourself a brake controller.
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If the price is right on the trailer. I would buy it. You can get electric brake kits from most trailer stores. They don't cost much. They are easy to wire up. Just get yourself a brake controller.
again, it depends what friggen axle. They dont make elec brake kits for all axles. Especially old axles that are on trailers without brakes.
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dexter axles cost about 300 with brakes each...... brakes are about 120 per wheel if i remember correctly

for what its worth
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On the one hand, I've never had an issue pulling loaded trailers without brakes on my tow rigs. Both were/are 3/4 ton ext cab LWB dodge rams, though, which makes a big difference - 156" wb, 7000 lb trucks are pretty forgiving.

On the other hand, its illegal to pull those trailers loaded without brakes.


My current setup, I have brakes on both axles, radial tires on both axles, and a prodigy brake control.


As Bones keeps saying, find out what axles are there and see if you can upgrade things.
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Depends on what axle? It would have to be a damn old, and odd axle to not be able to put brakes on it any way. I converted a set of mobile home axles that didn't have brakes with TSC stuff. If it has a standard style spindle, the most you will have to do is weld on the flange.

I have yet to see a normal 3500 pound axle not be able to take a set of brakes.
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Depends on what axle? It would have to be a damn old, and odd axle to not be able to put brakes on it any way. I converted a set of mobile home axles that didn't have brakes with TSC stuff. If it has a standard style spindle, the most you will have to do is weld on the flange.

I have yet to see a normal 3500 pound axle not be able to take a set of brakes.
in that case, all you are using is the axle tube. There are some axles that don't even use a standard spindle (the old split-rim and mobile home axles come to mind)

But you are right, you can take ANY axle and
1- buy 2 new spindles
2- buy 4 new bearings
3- buy 2 new hubs/drums
4- buy 2 new backing plates and brake pads
5- buy 2 new rims, because the old rims won't fit the new hubs
6- buy 2 new tires, because the old tires are dry rotten, and won't fit the new rims

and then do it again since it is a dual axle trailer

and voila... you just spent more than a good used properly equiped trailer would have costed you in the first place.

And I'm guessing the sweet trailer youjust bought without brakes also uses a 2" trailer ball.... you'll need to buy a new 2 5-16" coupler now too.
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I pulled a 13,000 pound 500kW generator that had no brakes to a party from the cummins dealer in grand rapids to lansing and back in HEAVY rain with my Ram 2500 without any issues. It was quite nerve racking but I didn't have any problems.



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And I'm guessing the sweet trailer youjust bought without brakes also uses a 2" trailer ball.... you'll need to buy a new 2 5-16" coupler now too.

Why's that? You can find 2" trailer balls capable of up to 10,000lb tow rating....

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Old August 28th, 2007, 07:57 PM   #15
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Well, one down . . . not wide enough
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But you are right, you can take ANY axle and
1- buy 2 new spindles
2- buy 4 new bearings
3- buy 2 new hubs/drums
4- buy 2 new backing plates and brake pads
5- buy 2 new rims, because the old rims won't fit the new hubs
6- buy 2 new tires, because the old tires are dry rotten, and won't fit the new rims

and then do it again since it is a dual axle trailer

and voila... you just spent more than a good used properly equiped trailer would have costed you in the first place.

And I'm guessing the sweet trailer youjust bought without brakes also uses a 2" trailer ball.... you'll need to buy a new 2 5-16" coupler now too.
There are many assumptions there. There are many trailers out there that don't have brakes, however they do have flanges. And you don't buy all the crap separate, you get the kit with everything in it. Spindles usually will work, you just have to buy the correct brake kit.

Another assumption on the ball...not that's 2 inch would be the end of the world. Nothing wrong with a 2 inch large shank.
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i have towed many thousands of miles with no brakes and never had a problem. i have had issues with worn shackles though. on another note, ive always had real trucks, not those elcaminoish half ton chevy's. always 3/4 or one ton diesels.
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I dunno how anyone elses 95-97 psd's brakes are but mine suck. They've always sucked and i wouldnt trust them with having to stop fast, specially with a load. You never know what might happen.
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theres a place near hudson, mi on 127 that is a surplus trailer supply shop...i can't remember the name of it. mp you should know what i am talking about. i bought a pair of axles with brakes for 350 bucks. pretty nice guys too.
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I haven't been to TSC to look but I can't imagine much for $100. When I redid my brakes on my 10,000 gvw trailer, the backing plates, shoes & magnet kit was about $70 for each corner. This did not include the drums that were another $40 or so. So, you have over $100 per wheel = $400. Now you need a wiring harness and plug, and all the labor. Better be a really cheap trailer.

Second, there is nothing wrong with a 2" ball.

Third, I would never tow a 7000 pound package without brakes. Remeber, I'm the guy who went over the cliff when my trailer was heavier than my tow rig's stopping ability.
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