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Old July 16th, 2007, 12:08 AM   #81
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What I find most disturbing here is the trend to try and discredit another Christian faith. Why do you (and others) who are Christian find it so compelling to tear down my belief system? Do you think this is a credit to Christianity? I was taught as a Catholic that I am one in the Body of Christ with ALL my fellow Christians not just Catholics. I was taught that we, as Christians, are all in this together. I celebrate and am grateful to any denomination or lack of it that brings anyone to the Word of God and belief in our Lord Jesus. I do not waste time trying to discredit or spread out of date myths about another denomination...that is a waste and anti Christian.
What I find interesting is that you seem to have forgotten that the original topic of this thread was the Pope discrediting other non-Catholic Christian churches by saying that they aren't real churches.

I'm not trying to tear down your belief system, but your spiritual leader, the Pope, seems to be trying to tear down mine.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 12:22 AM   #82
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What I find interesting is that you seem to have forgotten that the original topic of this thread was the Pope discrediting other non-Catholic Christian churches by saying that they aren't real churches.

I'm not trying to tear down your belief system, but your spiritual leader, the Pope, seems to be trying to tear down mine.
First of all, lets be clear on something. I am not required by my Catholic faith to be beholden to everything the pope says...he is a man, not God. He does not speak as God. I am a republican as well....George Bush is my political leader, but as a republican, I am not required to believe in everything he says either....

As a republican, I know that the media is liberally based. All media is biased and anti religious to boot. Any controversy MSNBC can scare up is good business for them. If you read the original documents on the Catholic church's position and not the paraphrasing you may be suprised at the obvious text twisting that goes on. I didn't forget the topic. I am defending my Catholic faith which the media has once again targeted for ratings.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 10:15 AM   #83
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My definition of apostolic faith is one that compels it's believers to go forth and spread the Good News of Christ. I believe it is my job to spread the Gospel in the best ways I can.

The word "Apostle", from the Greek apostello "to send forth", "to dispatch", has etymologically a very general sense. Apostolos (Apostle) means one who is sent forth, dispatched--in other words, who is entrusted with a mission, rather, a foreign mission. It has, however, a stronger sense than the word messenger, and means as much as a delegate.

What I find most disturbing here is the trend to try and discredit another Christian faith. Why do you (and others) who are Christian find it so compelling to tear down my belief system? Do you think this is a credit to Christianity? I was taught as a Catholic that I am one in the Body of Christ with ALL my fellow Christians not just Catholics. I was taught that we, as Christians, are all in this together. I celebrate and am grateful to any denomination or lack of it that brings anyone to the Word of God and belief in our Lord Jesus. I do not waste time trying to discredit or spread out of date myths about another denomination...that is a waste and anti Christian.
I have always read and heard an Apostle to also be one who starts churches in a leadership position. (beyond your accurate description). So we may be disciples more than we are apostles, but this is a moot point.

Hear me on this: I am not trying to discredit Catholicism. If you read this whole debate, you may recall my doing into a defensive postion FOR Catholics, asking people NOT to be harshly against it, defending Priets, etc. There are things that I see in the Catholic faith that I don't agree with, the same way I see things in other denominations, but I am by no means desiring to discredit them, or put up a wall. If what I did in my denomination was wrong, I would want someone to correct me with the Word of God. When I was Catholic, I was given the attitude to look down on all non-Catholics, and that the faith I was in was the one true faith. So excuse me if I seem a bit against that notion, because it is false. My thoughts are in no way against you, nor do I wish to interrupt the Catholic faith, they are my brothers and sisters in Christ, our common Lord and Savior.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 04:14 PM   #84
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Good discussion here.

I just want to pick one nit...

There's a difference between catholic and Catholic. If you go to dictionary.com and look up small "c" catholic, the first entry returned will describe the universal church, the second entry is capital "C" and describes the Roman Catholic church.

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Old July 16th, 2007, 08:08 PM   #85
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Benedict is not making a new way of thinking, he is simply upholding what was already in place. .


didn't read anything else... don't really need to. i was raised catholic. was taught that is IS the only church.

who cares if he's right or wrong. that's been Said for a long time.


Was jesus even real? no one knows. it's called faith. so the catholics have faith they are followin the right thing. same thing for everyone else.
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Was jesus even real? no one knows. it's called faith.
The question is NOT if Jesus was real, any rational thinking human being knows that Jesus walked the planet. The issue of faith, however, is whether or not he was who he claimed. Well, it is in part an issue of faith, and in part an issue of logical thinking.
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The question is NOT if Jesus was real, any rational thinking human being knows that Jesus walked the planet. The issue of faith, however, is whether or not he was who he claimed. Well, it is in part an issue of faith, and in part an issue of logical thinking.

UGH oh dave.... way to be knit picky. that's how i meant it. hehe you were thinking too literally.
the POINT was... believe what you want. i Don't believe IN jesus. to me he wasn't REAL.... aka the messiah. but that's not the argument.
Alls i'm sayin .... is people believe what they feel is right. Hence pope & cath church dealy.


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UGH oh dave.... way to be knit picky. that's how i meant it. hehe you were thinking too literally.
the POINT was... believe what you want. i Don't believe IN jesus. to me he wasn't REAL.... aka the messiah. but that's not the argument.
Alls i'm sayin .... is people believe what they feel is right. Hence pope & cath church dealy.


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I understand what you mean, but I was not picking on you, those are actually big differences.

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The question is NOT if Jesus was real, any rational thinking human being knows that Jesus walked the planet. The issue of faith, however, is whether or not he was who he claimed. Well, it is in part an issue of faith, and in part an issue of logical thinking.

Logic being that there was a book written about him, just like Harry Potter, and he lived 2000 years ago when nothing was well documented. The logic of the fact that the bible we read was transcribed by a King who may or may not have influenced it's words to suit his ideals. The logic that if we can't see it, it must be real? Like ghosts, aliens, bigfoot, etc.

Religion defies logic... That's why you have to have faith. Logically there is no way to feed 1000 people with a loaf of bread and a fish, faith says Jesus could turn that into enough to feed everybody. Logic says once a man is dead he is truly dead, faith allows us to see him rising to life again.
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Logic being that there was a book written about him, just like Harry Potter, and he lived 2000 years ago when nothing was well documented. The logic of the fact that the bible we read was transcribed by a King who may or may not have influenced it's words to suit his ideals. The logic that if we can't see it, it must be real? Like ghosts, aliens, bigfoot, etc.

Religion defies logic... That's why you have to have faith. Logically there is no way to feed 1000 people with a loaf of bread and a fish, faith says Jesus could turn that into enough to feed everybody. Logic says once a man is dead he is truly dead, faith allows us to see him rising to life again.
You cannot compare known fiction to known non-fiction. Try a better analogy.

King James did no actual translating, so try again. Beyond that, the texts he authorized to be translated, we still have the originals. Any modern scholar can still translate it, and the translations are legit. Your claims are unfounded. You cannot discredit the Bible based on translations, you will have to dig deeper.

No, religion does not defy logic, it presents challenges to logic. Evolution does not defy logic, is presents challenges to logic. If you discredit all matters of faith, then you also discredit evolution. I agree with you that faith is what allows me to believe Jesus rose from the dead, but there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that also allows me logically to arrive at that conclusion. There ARE logical reasons to believe the gospel account of the life of Jesus Christ. If you wish to get into this discussion, I wish for you to start a new topic.
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If you're not Roman Catholic, or belong to an Apostolic Church, you are not going to heaven!
That is absolutely absurd beyond measure!

We are saved through faith by grace (Ephesians 2:8). No church building has a monopoly on salvation. The narrow gate to heaven is Jesus Christ.

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yup, but Jews still can go to heaven and they donít accept Christ as the son of God.
Which scripture is that? I know it wasn't John 14:6 when Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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Which scripture is that? I know it wasn't John 14:6 when Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
And an Apolstolic church is exactly that....... Every single Decon, Priest, Bishop, Cardnalcan trace their Ordination all the way back to the origional passing of the holy spirit of Jesus Christ to his Apostiles.

Just because the Bible College give you a degree doesn't mean that you have the actual Holy Spirit breathed upon you!
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And in defense of my Catholic brothers and sisters, not all Priests have sexual demons in their closets. Yeah, it was a problem, yeah it was brought out, and yeah, the offenders were dealt with correctlyl. Let it go you haters!
[yoda voice]to close to the situation to really see the truth you are[/end yoda voice]

Not if they were left breathing the werent.
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