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Old June 25th, 2007, 08:45 PM   #1
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Read all three pages.

http://lifestyle.msn.com/mindbodyand...5719&GT1=10114
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Old June 26th, 2007, 09:37 AM   #2
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Ok, so a woman had an abortion and feels bad about it. What is your point?

Perhaps if she had the child and dealt with its physical handicap, she would be less greived today.
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Old June 26th, 2007, 04:07 PM   #3
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i just want to know, why are you reading articles in the women's lifestyle section of msn?
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Old June 26th, 2007, 04:40 PM   #4
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He just wants me to know how terrible I am for wanting women to stop killing there near full term babies. If I would have emotionally connected with her, then perhaps I could have put blinders on to the would be majority of cases for "mental health" "reasoning"
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i just want to know, why are you reading articles in the women's lifestyle section of msn?
read gm's postes for a few years and you will know why
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Old June 26th, 2007, 09:28 PM   #6
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The article was on the home page of MSN.

I honestly could not bring a child born without a brain into this world.

I don't think you read the article Dave if you think she felt bad about it, because she didn't.
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The article was on the home page of MSN.

I honestly could not bring a child born without a brain into this world.

I don't think you read the article Dave if you think she felt bad about it, because she didn't.
i knew if i waited long enuf you would tell what the art. was about and i wouldnt have to read it.
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do you want a brainless baby dave?????
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Old June 27th, 2007, 06:51 AM   #8
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The article was on the home page of MSN.

I honestly could not bring a child born without a brain into this world.

I don't think you read the article Dave if you think she felt bad about it, because she didn't.
You asked me to read it, all 3 pages, and I did, without skimming. At first I was going to quote all her outrageous statements about "so called partial birth abortions" and how she busted out in tears as Bush did a very honorable thing. Or perhaps the part where she said she could not even call it abortion (eventhough that is exactly what it was).

She is MOURNING terribly over what happened. But I propose that her pain is that her child died, and let me remind you that it was her choice to end its life. That child COULD have lived, albeit handicapped in a wheelchair, but the child could have lived. If that child was not killed, she would have it, and her pain would be lesser, and she would not have all these constant bad feelings, scared that someone wants to talk about children.

What part of her story or thoughts should somehow alter the partial birth abortion ban? I don't see anything remotely considerable.
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i knew if i waited long enuf you would tell what the art. was about and i wouldnt have to read it.
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do you want a brainless baby dave?????
If you even read the story, then you know the child was not brainless, well not the first one the story is about. The first one had spinal bifida, which in that case was mising a covering over the spinal cord, and had some swelling at the base of the brain. That would require some very detailed surgery to cover everything, and the child would almost certainly be physically handicapped its whole life. This does not devalue its life, but that i the reality.

In the second case, the child did not have a fully developed brain, which would not support normal life (even central nervous system stuff would not function correctly). If that was my wife and child, then yeah, we would keep it and deliver it. As a matter of fact, a woman from my old church had that exact circumstance. She knew the baby would not live long at all. She gave birth, it was very sad, and the child died honorably in the arms of its parents two days after birth. Its brain simply would not make the heart beat and lungs breathe, stuff like that. Instead of destroying the baby while the mother is passed out, thereby bypassing the proper grieving and respect for life of the child, she delivered it and grieved appropriately. If you read the story, the woman who is so tore up said how she never had the proper chance to grieve. She should have kept her baby. Yeah, I said it.
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I agree with Dave here folks. Just can not treat a baby like its a fly on the wall and splatter it. Each and everyone of us have feelings and thought patterens. Now if the Mother is Brain Dead with no feelings or Brain waves I can see it.
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If you even read the story, then you know the child was not brainless, well not the first one the story is about. The first one had spinal bifida, which in that case was mising a covering over the spinal cord, and had some swelling at the base of the brain. That would require some very detailed surgery to cover everything, and the child would almost certainly be physically handicapped its whole life. This does not devalue its life, but that i the reality.

In the second case, the child did not have a fully developed brain, which would not support normal life (even central nervous system stuff would not function correctly). If that was my wife and child, then yeah, we would keep it and deliver it. As a matter of fact, a woman from my old church had that exact circumstance. She knew the baby would not live long at all. She gave birth, it was very sad, and the child died honorably in the arms of its parents two days after birth. Its brain simply would not make the heart beat and lungs breathe, stuff like that. Instead of destroying the baby while the mother is passed out, thereby bypassing the proper grieving and respect for life of the child, she delivered it and grieved appropriately. If you read the story, the woman who is so tore up said how she never had the proper chance to grieve. She should have kept her baby. Yeah, I said it.

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Old June 28th, 2007, 02:25 PM   #12
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GM, you got nothing or what?
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If you even read the story, then you know the child was not brainless, well not the first one the story is about. The first one had spinal bifida, which in that case was mising a covering over the spinal cord, and had some swelling at the base of the brain. That would require some very detailed surgery to cover everything, and the child would almost certainly be physically handicapped its whole life. This does not devalue its life, but that i the reality.

In the second case, the child did not have a fully developed brain, which would not support normal life (even central nervous system stuff would not function correctly). If that was my wife and child, then yeah, we would keep it and deliver it. As a matter of fact, a woman from my old church had that exact circumstance. She knew the baby would not live long at all. She gave birth, it was very sad, and the child died honorably in the arms of its parents two days after birth. Its brain simply would not make the heart beat and lungs breathe, stuff like that. Instead of destroying the baby while the mother is passed out, thereby bypassing the proper grieving and respect for life of the child, she delivered it and grieved appropriately. If you read the story, the woman who is so tore up said how she never had the proper chance to grieve. She should have kept her baby. Yeah, I said it.
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Old June 28th, 2007, 09:15 PM   #14
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No, I have what's called a job and a week long trip to prepare for.

My opinion stands. If the baby is very FUBAR, there's no point bringing into the world to suffer.
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No, I have what's called a job and a week long trip to prepare for.

My opinion stands. If the baby is very FUBAR, there's no point bringing into the world to suffer.
So should we kill all down syndrome people? Due to their "suffering" ?
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There is no such thing as a perfectly normal, no defects, baby. So should we just abort all of them till we can find a perfect one and clone it?
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My opinion stands. If the baby is very FUBAR, there's no point bringing into the world to suffer.
THAT is the slipery slope, if you were to continue in that logic where does it end? I mean really, if we got enough people together to agree we could eliminate anyone or any group of people who offend us. As a matter of fact it's going on today and in history i.e., Hitler, he didn't like the Jews....
Where does it end?
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This is defiantly a case where the "slippery slope" runs down both sides of the hill.
Do you spend thousands, or even millions of dollars using every bit of modern medicine to keep a baby alive even though there is little or no hope that it will ever led anything close to a "normal" life, and may end up virtually a vegetable it's whole life?
On the other hand, do you allow a mother to off her child a second before birth just because it's not perfect?
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After reading that article and thinking about it some I have to agree with Kerwin on this one. While she claims to be comfortable with her decision I get the feeling that in writing an article like that what she is really doing is trying to make herself feel better about it by trying to get others to agree with her. It would seem to me that if she was truly comfortable with her decision she wouldn't care so much about what others thought about it.
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yeah, and her pain would be minimal having a special needs child verses no child at all
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