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Old June 20th, 2007, 04:56 PM   #1
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I think you have to be a member to read this article at the washington post, so I will copy paste.

Sunspots increase in activity, the earth cools. Lots of sunspots lately.



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The mud at the bottom of B.C. fjords reveals that solar output drives climate change - and that we should prepare now for dangerous global cooling
R. TIMOTHY PATTERSON, Financial Post
Published: Wednesday, June 20, 2007
Politicians and environmentalists these days convey the impression that climate-change research is an exceptionally dull field with little left to discover. We are assured by everyone from David Suzuki to Al Gore to Prime Minister Stephen Harper that "the science is settled." At the recent G8 summit, German Chancellor Angela Merkel even attempted to convince world leaders to play God by restricting carbon-dioxide emissions to a level that would magically limit the rise in world temperatures to 2C.



Forget warming, beware the new ice age
The fact that science is many years away from properly understanding global climate doesn't seem to bother our leaders at all. Inviting testimony only from those who don't question political orthodoxy on the issue, parliamentarians are charging ahead with the impossible and expensive goal of "stopping global climate change." Liberal MP Ralph Goodale's June 11 House of Commons assertion that Parliament should have "a real good discussion about the potential for carbon capture and sequestration in dealing with carbon dioxide, which has tremendous potential for improving the climate, not only here in Canada but around the world," would be humorous were he, and even the current government, not deadly serious about devoting vast resources to this hopeless crusade.

Climate stability has never been a feature of planet Earth. The only constant about climate is change; it changes continually and, at times, quite rapidly. Many times in the past, temperatures were far higher than today, and occasionally, temperatures were colder. As recently as 6,000 years ago, it was about 3C warmer than now. Ten thousand years ago, while the world was coming out of the thou-sand-year-long "Younger Dryas" cold episode, temperatures rose as much as 6C in a decade -- 100 times faster than the past century's 0.6C warming that has so upset environmentalists.

Climate-change research is now literally exploding with new findings. Since the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, the field has had more research than in all previous years combined and the discoveries are completely shattering the myths. For example, I and the first-class scientists I work with are consistently finding excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations in the brightness of the sun and earthly climate. This is not surprising. The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of all energy on the planet.

My interest in the current climate-change debate was triggered in 1998, when I was funded by a Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council strategic project grant to determine if there were regular cycles in West Coast fish productivity. As a result of wide swings in the populations of anchovies, herring and other commercially important West Coast fish stock, fisheries managers were having a very difficult time establishing appropriate fishing quotas. One season there would be abundant stock and broad harvesting would be acceptable; the very next year the fisheries would collapse. No one really knew why or how to predict the future health of this crucially important resource.


Although climate was suspected to play a significant role in marine productivity, only since the beginning of the 20th century have accurate fishing and temperature records been kept in this region of the northeast Pacific. We needed indicators of fish productivity over thousands of years to see whether there were recurring cycles in populations and what phenomena may be driving the changes.

My research team began to collect and analyze core samples from the bottom of deep Western Canadian fjords. The regions in which we chose to conduct our research, Effingham Inlet on the West Coast of Vancouver Island, and in 2001, sounds in the Belize-Seymour Inlet complex on the mainland coast of British Columbia, were perfect for this sort of work. The topography of these fjords is such that they contain deep basins that are subject to little water transfer from the open ocean and so water near the bottom is relatively stagnant and very low in oxygen content. As a consequence, the floors of these basins are mostly lifeless and sediment layers build up year after year, undisturbed over millennia.

Using various coring technologies, we have been able to collect more than 5,000 years' worth of mud in these basins, with the oldest layers coming from a depth of about 11 metres below the fjord floor. Clearly visible in our mud cores are annual changes that record the different seasons: corresponding to the cool, rainy winter seasons, we see dark layers composed mostly of dirt washed into the fjord from the land; in the warm summer months we see abundant fossilized fish scales and diatoms (the most common form of phytoplankton, or single-celled ocean plants) that have fallen to the fjord floor from nutrient-rich surface waters. In years when warm summers dominated climate in the region, we clearly see far thicker layers of diatoms and fish scales than we do in cooler years. Ours is one of the highest-quality climate records available anywhere today and in it we see obvious confirmation that natural climate change can be tic. For example, in the middle of a 62-year slice of the record at about 4,400 years ago, there was a shift in climate in only a couple of seasons from warm, dry and sunny conditions to one that was mostly cold and rainy for several decades.

Using computers to conduct what is referred to as a "time series analysis" on the colouration and thickness of the annual layers, we have discovered repeated cycles in marine productivity in this, a region larger than Europe. Specifically, we find a very strong and consistent 11-year cycle throughout the whole record in the sediments and diatom remains. This correlates closely to the well-known 11-year "Schwabe" sunspot cycle, during which the output of the sun varies by about 0.1%. Sunspots, violent storms on the surface of the sun, have the effect of increasing solar output, so, by counting the spots visible on the surface of our star, we have an indirect measure of its varying brightness. Such records have been kept for many centuries and match very well with the changes in marine productivity we are observing.


In the sediment, diatom and fish-scale records, we also see longer period cycles, all correlating closely with other well-known regular solar variations. In particular, we see marine productivity cycles that match well with the sun's 75-90-year "Gleissberg Cycle," the 200-500-year "Suess Cycle" and the 1,100-1,500-year "Bond Cycle." The strength of these cycles is seen to vary over time, fading in and out over the millennia. The variation in the sun's brightness over these longer cycles may be many times greater in magnitude than that measured over the short Schwabe cycle and so are seen to impact marine productivity even more significantly.

Our finding of a direct correlation between variations in the brightness of the sun and earthly climate indicators (called "proxies") is not unique. Hundreds of other studies, using proxies from tree rings in Russia's Kola Peninsula to water levels of the Nile, show exactly the same thing: The sun appears to drive climate change.

However, there was a problem. Despite this clear and repeated correlation, the measured variations in incoming solar energy were, on their own, not sufficient to cause the climate changes we have observed in our proxies. In addition, even though the sun is brighter now than at any time in the past 8,000 years, the increase in direct solar input is not calculated to be sufficient to cause the past century's modest warming on its own. There had to be an amplifier of some sort for the sun to be a primary driver of climate change.

Indeed, that is precisely what has been discovered. In a series of groundbreaking scientific papers starting in 2002, Veizer, Shaviv, Carslaw, and most recently Svensmark et al., have collectively demonstrated that as the output of the sun varies, and with it, our star's protective solar wind, varying amounts of galactic cosmic rays from deep space are able to enter our solar system and penetrate the Earth's atmosphere. These cosmic rays enhance cloud formation which, overall, has a cooling effect on the planet. When the sun's energy output is greater, not only does the Earth warm slightly due to direct solar heating, but the stronger solar wind generated during these "high sun" periods blocks many of the cosmic rays from entering our atmosphere. Cloud cover decreases and the Earth warms still more.

The opposite occurs when the sun is less bright. More cosmic rays are able to get through to Earth's atmosphere, more clouds form, and the planet cools more than would otherwise be the case due to direct solar effects alone. This is precisely what happened from the middle of the 17th century into the early 18th century, when the solar energy input to our atmosphere, as indicated by the number of sunspots, was at a minimum and the planet was stuck in the Little Ice Age. These new findings suggest that changes in the output of the sun caused the most recent climate change. By comparison, CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on long, medium and even short time scales.


In some fields the science is indeed "settled." For example, plate tectonics, once highly controversial, is now so well-established that we rarely see papers on the subject at all. But the science of global climate change is still in its infancy, with many thousands of papers published every year. In a 2003 poll conducted by German environmental researchers Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch, two-thirds of more than 530 climate scientists from 27 countries surveyed did not believe that "the current state of scientific knowledge is developed well enough to allow for a reasonable assessment of the effects of greenhouse gases." About half of those polled stated that the science of climate change was not sufficiently settled to pass the issue over to policymakers at all.

Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe solar cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth. Beginning to plan for adaptation to such a cool period, one which may continue well beyond one 11-year cycle, as did the Little Ice Age, should be a priority for governments. It is global cooling, not warming, that is the major climate threat to the world, especially Canada. As a country at the northern limit to agriculture in the world, it would take very little cooling to destroy much of our food crops, while a warming would only require that we adopt farming techniques practiced to the south of us.

Meantime, we need to continue research into this, the most complex field of science ever tackled, and immediately halt wasted expenditures on the King Canute-like task of "stopping climate change."
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Old June 20th, 2007, 05:17 PM   #2
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I am not reading all that garbo.. yup mother nature will take care of it. or she will take us out and fix the problum......
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i cant make up my mind on this, could you post more info please:tonka:
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Old June 20th, 2007, 06:25 PM   #4
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By comparison, CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on long, medium and even short time scales.
i wonder if al gore got that memo?
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Old June 20th, 2007, 06:53 PM   #5
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i wonder if al gore got that memo?
His internet invention wasn't made to be compatible with memos.
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I couldn't give a fawk less about global cooling. You can always put on more clothes. You can only take so many off until your neighbor calls the cop on you for indecent exposure though.
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his internet wasn't made to use facts.
Why confuse the issue with facts? That's no fun.







on a side note, sure wish I hadn't sold the hardtop now...
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see I told you guys all the warming & cooling shit was a scam. now the OIL guys will jack the price of fuels up so as to prepare for the "cold snap" thats about to come....what a crock.
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I think that since its gonna get so cold. We all need to drive our SUV's as much as possible to keep it warm.
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I think that since its gonna get so cold. We all need to drive our SUV's as much as possible to keep it warm.
I'm on it. In fact, I'm going outside to sawzall that pesky catylitic- thingie outta my jeep, too. SUVs save the earth!!!
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I'm on it. In fact, I'm going outside to sawzall that pesky catylitic- thingie outta my jeep, too. SUVs save the earth!!!
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The absolute arrogance of people who think that the earth's climate, which has been constantly in flux throughout Earth's history, should now remain constant because they're here gives me a headache.

Attention Algore, et al: the Earth's climate will change, and continue to change for as long as the planet continues to exist. Likewise, species will become extinct and new species will emerge. It was going on before we climbed out of the cave, went on while we developed cultures, outlasting all of them (thus far), and will continue into whatever comes next.

Get over yourselves.
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I'm on it. In fact, I'm going outside to sawzall that pesky catylitic- thingie outta my jeep, too. SUVs save the earth!!!
im letting mine idle all night to help.
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i cant make up my mind on this, could you post more info please:tonka:
Just go here: www.liberals-r-us.com and they will tell you what you should think.
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Interesting read

This is a hot topic for sure.................or maybe a cold one. Depends on who your asking I suppose.

Dear anyone,

One thing is for sure mankind has changed the balance of Air quality burning Oil, Coal and such. When I here people say its all BS I cringe. The fact is the atmosphere is whacked. Simple facts and all thoose who says its a crock will be long dead before any real Global change happens. So they can spew all they want.....................But there kids will wish they wern't so Ignorant and lazy. It is far to easy to just pass it all of as BS. Why should you care...What can be done about it anyway.............Nothing it's too late. It's always easier to say it aint so, than to study the information. Just like kids do

Dont be so foolish as to just pass the facts and base your ideas on Global change within your own little expereinces. Educate yourself and make and informed decision. Be a wise learned soul and dont appear to be so damn childish

Earth hot, Earth too cold..does not matter. The human plauge will be extingushed sometime in the near future anyway. The planet is a living breathing thing and we are a sickness................lmao

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Interesting read

This is a hot topic for sure.................or maybe a cold one. Depends on who your asking I suppose.

One thing is for sure mankind has changed the balance of Air quality burning Oil, Coal and such. When I here people say its all BS I cringe. The fact is the atmosphere is whacked. Simple facts and all thoose who says its a crock will be long dead before any real Global change happens. So they can spew all they want.....................But there kids will wish they wern't so Ignorant and lazy. It is far to easy to just pass it all of as BS. Why should you care...What can be done about it anyway.............Nothing it's too late.

Earth hot, Earth too cold..does not matter. The human plauge will be extingushed sometime in the near future anyway. The planet is a living breathing thing and we are a sickness................lmao


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