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Old May 6th, 2007, 09:08 PM   #1
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Default Who doesn't believe in Evolution?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/0...-in-evolution/

Apparently Brownback, Tancredo and Huckabee don't. I mean I can understand if you believe creationism, but can't you believe evolution took place afterword? To say you don't believe that evolution exists is just like pandering to the far right religious nuts. I mean I know a lot of christians who still agree with the theory of evolution. These are smart people, do you really think they don't buy the theory of evolution or just pandering.

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I just dont see validity in evolution. Does it sound like a best guess theory, you betcha. But it just doesn't fit IMO.
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Apparently Brownback, Tancredo and Huckabee don't. I mean I can understand if you believe creationism, but can't you believe evolution took place afterword? To say you don't believe that evolution exists is just like pandering to the far right religious nuts. I mean I know a lot of christians who still agree with the theory of evolution. These are smart people, do you really think they don't buy the theory of evolution or just pandering.

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I thought you said that you did not call Christians Names.

Mike we know you are an Athiest, and you hate Christians. You might as well just come out and say it, instead of hiding behind all of your "Left Wing" posts.
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I don't believe in it either. There is a huge movement away from macro-evolution by many leading biologists in the world today.

The problem of Irreducible Complexity is a major issue that leaves a giant hole in the traditional evolution theory. This has created a huge arguement between many traditionalist evolution scientists who cling to the old theory and many scientists who are taking on the new theory of instantaneous-speciation or "the hopeful monster" theory.

This new theory deals with the issues of irreducible complexity by saying that a new species was born in one generation from another species of parent (an instant mutation). This also helps explain a complete lack of transitional fossils.

I believe in Micro-Evolution (changes within a species e.g. dogs), but I cannot rationally believe in Macro-Evolution (the change from one species to another).

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Apparently Brownback, Tancredo and Huckabee don't. I mean I can understand if you believe creationism, but can't you believe evolution took place afterword? To say you don't believe that evolution exists is just like pandering to the far right religious nuts. I mean I know a lot of christians who still agree with the theory of evolution. These are smart people, do you really think they don't buy the theory of evolution or just pandering.

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There are also many extremely intelligent scientists who are not Christians who do not believe in Evolution. You are showing your lack of maturity on the subject young man! Don't believe only what your professors tell you, do some real research!!!
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Yes there is some guessing , filling in the blanks . How ever wasnt Adam and Eve modern humans , you know simular to us in mental abliity , look pretty much like us modern humans ? If im wrong feel free to correct me .

Now how is it we find remains of cavemen ? Clearly with less brain capacity then the modern human and physically different .

Your faith requires a complete leap of faith as there are no facts envolved what so ever , zero proof yet you dont like the idea that evolution requires us to fill in " some " blank spots to tell the story .

religion was succesful for one reason , mans fear of death . Give him a way out of it and he will buy any story . Creates peice of mind that you will not parish . < cowards way out .

As an American Indian here is my view . I am a part of the earth , no better no worse then a tree , grass or any other animal . I came from the minerals of this earth i will return those minerals when i am done thus completing the circle of life . Perhaps you can explain to me why you have some greater value then my dog and why you should have some special place to go after death ? This train of thought requiers you to put your self above all other creatures and frankly i think that is a bad joke sir .

I will respectfully disagree. They have yet to find or determine that any "cavemen" or "neanderthals" has ever existed. Basically, they are just different races of humans (e.g. pygmies in austrailia, native americans and vikings all would look extremely different if you had their bones in front of you).

Here is some good reading on the subject. I know its a Christian site, but don't discount it as the us several references from leading scientists and archeologists today.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea...neandertal.asp
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I thought you said that you did not call Christians Names.

Mike we know you are an Athiest, and you hate Christians. You might as well just come out and say it, instead of hiding behind all of your "Left Wing" posts.
i'm not an atheist nor do I hate Christians.
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There are also many extremely intelligent scientists who are not Christians who do not believe in Evolution. You are showing your lack of maturity on the subject young man! Don't believe only what your professors tell you, do some real research!!!
i don't have any science classes, so i'm not "believing what my professors tell me" evolution is just the only thing in my mind that lands anywhere near making sense, aside from most religious mythology.
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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/0...-in-evolution/

Apparently Brownback, Tancredo and Huckabee don't. I mean I can understand if you believe creationism, but can't you believe evolution took place afterword? To say you don't believe that evolution exists is just like pandering to the far right religious nuts. I mean I know a lot of christians who still agree with the theory of evolution. These are smart people, do you really think they don't buy the theory of evolution or just pandering.

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so christians that dont believe in evolution are stoopid.

p.s. sorry imm a stoopid christian, please excuse my spelling and punctuation.
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i don't have any science classes, so i'm not "believing what my professors tell me" evolution is just the only thing in my mind that lands anywhere near making sense, aside from most religious mythology.
So all your doing is admitting that you know nothing about the subject.

You have no science classes (In which you would actually learn some of the facts) and you don't know any of the other scientific, non-"religious" ideas out there.

Your statement is antagonistic and completely based in ignorance.
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My question is this:
We still have monkeys
We still have people
Why dont we have any of the inbetweeners?

Evolution sounds nice, but God created the earth, in six days, and rested on the seventh.
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Why can't you believe in God and evolution? Who is to say that the supposed "6 days of work" wasnt actually 6 million years? God is timeless and 6 million years may equal 6 days to the higher power.

A few links for the evolutionary non-believers:

http://www.becominghuman.org/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/specimen.html
http://www.tolweb.org/Hominidae/16299

Tolweb link is especially interesting as it has scientific data from real experiments - not just some guys in their garage wanting to talk about evolution or how they love God.
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I don't believe in it either. There is a huge movement away from macro-evolution by many leading biologists in the world today.
Can you please list some of these "leading biologists" so that I may look them up and confirm their credibility? It is easy to make such a statement without backing it up with real facts.

Thanks!
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Some might consider me a reputable scientist and I personally do not feel there is enough evidence supporting evolution as the primary force responsible for the diversity of species on the planet. It is ONE theory, but it can not be tested; therefore can never be validated. (Please note, all theories of the beginning of life and diversity of species have this same issue). It is clear that changes can occur in populations when placed under selective stresses, especially observed in organisms that reproduce rapidly such as microorganisms. However, this does not mean it is the cause of the diversity of species.

My grievance is not that evolution is a theory of the diversity of life on earth, but that it is taught as absolute fact in our schools. I have been considering certification for teaching secondary biology, chemistry and math over the past few months and have met with advisors at UM, EMU and MSU. The state of michigan REQUIRES that you take evolution as a coarse in order to be certified to teach.

Consider this:

The observation: Many species on earth have conserved genes (same or similar genes).

Plausable Hypothesis 1: All species were created with a similar design (creationism)

Plausable Hypothesis 2: All species have a common ancestor and have diverged from that ancestor as selective forces have impacted the survival of unique individuals in a "divergence" of species (evolution).

Plausable Hypothesis 3: Species were extremely diverse "in the beginning", but conditions on earth have caused only those with similar genes to survive, thus the "convergence" of species. (just thought of that one, but it seems just as plausable as evolution).

What experiment could you conduct to test which one of the three is correct?
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What experiment could you conduct to test which one of the three is correct?
I'll bet if we (humans) set off all the nukes, and all the bio-weapons, and other weapons of mass destruction we could conduct this test.

But the right wingers (of the US) will not do that cause then that would confirm that humans contributed to global warming.

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ok this aint racist or nothin but to me black people came from Evoulution and White people came from Creationism. But I still like some black people so don't think im racist just because I think that. It just makes more sense that way I guess.
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ok this aint racist or nothin but to me black people came from Evoulution and White people came from Creationism. But I still like some black people so don't think im racist just because I think that. It just makes more sense that way I guess.
You are honestly the stupidist mother fucker I have never met. You have to be fucking kidding me.


quoted so he cant change it now.....
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ok this aint racist or nothin but to me black people came from Evoulution and White people came from Creationism. But I still like some black people so don't think im racist just because I think that. It just makes more sense that way I guess.
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You are honestly the stupidist mother fucker I have never met. You have to be fucking kidding me.


quoted so he cant change it now.....
That is the best thing I have ever read!

It makes sense.....I think Indians (red dot) & Tom Cruise came from aliens
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