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Old April 6th, 2007, 06:14 PM   #1
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An iPod for every kid? Are they !#$!ing idiots?

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We have come to the conclusion that the crisis Michigan faces is not a shortage of revenue, but an excess of idiocy. Facing a budget deficit that has passed the $1 billion mark, House Democrats Thursday offered a spending plan that would buy a MP3 player or iPod for every school child in Michigan.

No cost estimate was attached to their hare-brained idea to "invest" in education. Details, we are promised, will follow.

The Democrats, led by their increasingly erratic speaker Andy Dillon of Redford Township, also pledge $100 million to make better downtowns.

Their plan goes beyond cluelessness. Democrats are either entirely indifferent to the idea that extreme hard times demand extreme belt tightening, or they are bone stupid. We lean toward the latter.

We say that because the House plan also keeps alive, again without specifics, the promise of tax hikes.

The range of options, according to Rep. Steve Tobocman, D-Detroit, includes raising the income tax, levying a 6 percent tax on some services, and taxing junk food and soda.

We wonder how financially strained Michigan residents will feel about paying higher taxes to buy someone else's kid an iPod.

That they would include such frivolity in a crisis budget plan indicates how tough it will be to bring real spending reform to Michigan.

Senate Republicans issued a plan a week ago that eliminates the deficit with hard spending cuts. Now their leader, Mike Bishop of Rochester Hills, is sounding wobbly, suggesting he might compromise on a tax hike.

We hope Bishop is reading the polls that say three-quarters of Michigan residents oppose higher taxes.

There are few things in the House budget outline from which to forge a compromise.

For example, Dillon says he would shift the burden of business taxes to companies that operate in Michigan, but don't have a facility here. The certain outcome of that plan is to drive even more businesses out of Michigan.

About all we see of merit is a call for government consolidation and a demand that state employees contribute more to their retirement benefits -- which is no more than House Democrats suggested for future state lawmakers a few weeks ago.

We find it ironic that the Democrats are proposing floating $5 billion in revenue bonds to pay for retiree health care, when Gov. Jennifer Granholm vetoed a nearly identical plan by Oakland County because it would cost the state money.

Instead of advocating cost-saving changes in public school teacher pension and health plans, Dillon suggests more study. There have been plenty of studies of the issue, with the conclusion being that hundreds of millions of dollars could be saved through reforms. Michigan needs action, not more study committees.

Dillon also proposes that the state cover 50 percent of the cost of catastrophic health insurance for everyone in the place, but once again doesn't specify a funding source.

Stop the stupidity. Michigan can't tax or spend its way out of this economic catastrophe.

The only responsible option is to bring spending in line with current revenues. The mission must be to expand the tax base, rather than to expand taxes, by crafting a budget that encourages growth.

We won't get there by wasting money on early Christmas presents for Michigan kids
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Old April 6th, 2007, 06:18 PM   #2
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What role does an iPod have in education??
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Old April 6th, 2007, 06:21 PM   #3
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That is what I was thinking.
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dude, i love it. thats a wonderful idea, raise business taxes. because high taxes that are forcing businesses out of state or country need to be raised even higher. maybe that will make them change their minds about leaving. and i think every child in the Detroit area should suffer no more from ipod deprivation.
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dont you know!!! ipods have games, video and music to help you get through those boring math, history and science classes.
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Old April 6th, 2007, 06:24 PM   #6
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Hell if I know.
You'll have to ask the bleeding hearts around here, maybe it's to help there self esteem.

Have you ever heard of something that fucking stupid in your life?
What the hell is going through their heads to think this is a good idea?
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Hell if I know.
You'll have to ask the bleeding hearts around here, maybe it's to help there self esteem.

Have you ever heard of something that fucking stupid in your life?
What the hell is going through their heads to think this is a good idea?
I could see maybe giving an Ipod to someone who has perfect attendance for all 4 years of HS, or graduates with a 3.8 or higher, as a reward for acheivement, not just for the hell of it. Kids these days (and by kids I mean 11-14) all have Ipods and cell phones. I see it at the sporting events I attend to watch my siblings. If you ask me, that is the downfall of western civilization.
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I don't even have an iPod. Why the hell do kids need an iPod for? I remember they were trying to get all kids a laptop for school. That's a great way to get them to learn how to write properly.
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I don't even have an iPod. Why the hell do kids need an iPod for? I remember they were trying to get all kids a laptop for school. That's a great way to get them to learn how to write properly.

My daughter is in 5th grade and they encourage the students to use a calculator.
Drives me fucking crazy.
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My daughter is in 5th grade and they encourage the students to use a calculator.
Drives me fucking crazy.
Lovely. When I was in fifth grade we weren't allowed to use them. I can do most addition, subtraction, division, and multiplication in my head with relatively large numbers.

Kids are going to have to pull out calculators to do times tables or add 479 to 1,273.
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WTF? I do Junior Achievement at some of our local schools. I remember I had to sit through a teacher's meeting last year while waiting to meet with one of the teachers. The teachers were told they couldn't photocopy anything becuase they had no $$ for paper. Do you know how much flippin' paper instead of an iPoop you can buy? Not an exact amount but I am sure it is more than one student sees in a year.

I love my state and its heritage but I am really hating the way its ran more and more every day.

Jenny, go back to f'n Canada!
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Drives me fucking crazy.
you think thats crazy? go to china. watch them use the abacus. they're freakin nuts.



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to download podcast. . . many universities are moving towards digital classrooms
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yea lets blow money on toys that kids will loose or destroy and then turn around and say that we need to raise gas prices to fix the roads fawking government anyway
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Lovely. When I was in fifth grade we weren't allowed to use them. I can do most addition, subtraction, division, and multiplication in my head with relatively large numbers.

Kids are going to have to pull out calculators to do times tables or add 479 to 1,273.
when I was in 5th grade we never even heard of a calculator.
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Yeah I read that in the news, what a bunch of crap! Closing schools down in detroit, but wait get ipods for the kids to help them learn. Didnt Steve Jobs comment that teachers may be cause of bad education system.....let him donate them and pay to create some good, quailty podcasts for teaching kids.

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"Also on the table, and playing a more prominent role Thursday, were expensive new programs, including $100 million for investments in Michigan's downtowns and a $38-million proposal that would provide iPods or MP3 players for all Michigan students to use as learning tools."

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I like the %4 tax on soda to help those with no insurance too.

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yea lets blow money on toys that kids will loose or destroy and then turn around and say that we need to raise gas prices to fix the roads fawking government anyway
Same thing happened with the laptops. All the kids did was hack the shit out of them, install counterstrike and bog the fukc out of the network playing games and looking at porn.
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