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Old March 25th, 2007, 05:38 PM   #1
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So, should the U.S. start changing laws / rules / polices / practices to accomodate Ialamic Sharia law?

I think not.

Shariah in Minnesota?
Radical Muslim activists go fishing in troubled waters.

BY KATHERINE KERSTEN
Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT

MINNEAPOLIS--The land of 10,000 lakes and that welcoming attitude we call "Minnesota Nice"--is becoming a window on America's potential future. Here in Minneapolis, one of the nation's most livable cities, hard-line Muslim activists are injecting an element that is anything but nice.

Troubling incidents began several years ago, when taxi drivers at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport--about three-quarters of whom are Muslim--started refusing to transport passengers carrying alcohol. One woman, returning from France with wine, was turned away by five cabs in succession. Refusals of service now number about 100 a month, and heated altercations have erupted.

In September 2006, the Metropolitan Airports Commission (MAC) proposed a two color top-light pilot project to indicate which drivers would accept passengers with alcohol. The proposal, later dropped, would apparently have marked the first time that a government agency in the U.S. officially recognized Shariah law, and distinguished individuals who follow it from those who don't.

In November 2006, the six "flying imams" bumped the taxi drivers from the headlines. In Minneapolis for a conference, the imams were detained after engaging in what an airport police report called "suspicious" activity. Some prayed loudly in the gate area, spoke angrily about the U.S. and Saddam, switched seats and unnecessarily requested seat belt extenders with heavy buckles that could be used as weapons, according to witnesses. They were questioned and released later that day. The imams denounced the incident as racial and religious profiling. "If up to now, [Americans] don't know about prayers, this is a real problem," said Omar Shahin, one of the detained men and head of the North American Imams Federation. Twin Cities imams demanded a separate Muslim prayer room at the airport.

Earlier this month, the six imams filed suit in U.S. district court in Minneapolis against US Airways and the Metropolitan Airports Commission, claiming discrimination and defamation. Now some Muslim cashiers at Twin Cities Target stores have begun refusing to scan pork products, like bacon and pepperoni pizza, and insisting that other cashiers or the customers themselves do it.

What's going on? It appears that both local circumstances and activists with a big-picture agenda play a role. Take the taxi drivers. Minnesota is home to tens of thousands of Somalis, most recent immigrants. Behind the scenes, moderate local Somali leaders are engaged in a power struggle with national Muslim organizations that seek to exploit this vulnerable population. Islam prohibits the consumption of alcohol but not its transportation, say Somalis who reject the taxi drivers' stance. Yet in June 2006, the Muslim American Society's (MAS) Minnesota chapter issued a "fatwa" forbidding drivers here from carrying alcohol to avoid "cooperating in sin."

Hassan Mohamud, one of the fatwa signers, praised the two top-light proposal as a national model for accommodating Islam in areas ranging from housing to the workplace. But according to Omar Jamal of the Somali Justice Advocacy Center in St. Paul, MAS is "trying to hijack and radicalize the Somali community for their Middle East agenda."

Ahmed Samatar, a recognized expert on Somali society at Macalester College in St. Paul notes that "There is a general Islamic prohibition against drinking, but carrying alcohol for people in commercial enterprise has never been forbidden." Similarly, Islam prohibits consuming pork, but not touching or scanning it, according to Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of the American Society for Muslim Advancement in New York. It is, or should be, "a nonissue."

In Washington, the Democratic leadership is likely to seek passage of the End Racial Profiling Act, of which House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called herself, in 2004, a "proud" cosponsor. Both MAS and CAIR are stumping for the bill, which would bar airport security personnel from disproportionately questioning Muslims or people of Middle Eastern descent. Minnesota's Keith Ellison, the nation's first Muslim Congressman, told me that the imams' situation reflects a misunderstanding of Muslim prayer and will be sorted out in court, while the other matters stem from the normal process of immigrant adjustment.

The events here suggest a larger strategy: By piggy-backing on our civil rights laws, Islamist activists aim to equate airport security with racial bigotry and to move slowly toward a two-tier legal system. Intimidation is a crucial tool. The "flying imams" lawsuit ups the ante by indicating that passengers who alerted airport authorities will be included as defendants. Activists are also perfecting their skills at manipulating the media. After a "pray-in" at Reagan National Airport in Washington, D.C., one credulous MSNBC anchor likened the flying imams to civil rights icon Rosa Parks.

The comparison is misplaced: Omar Shahin, leader of the detained imams, has helped raise money for at least two charities later shut down for supporting terrorism. From 2000 to 2003, he headed the Islamic Center of Tucson, which terrorism expert Rita Katz described in the Washington Post as holding "basically the first cell of al Qaeda in the United States." CAIR has long been controversial for alleged terrorist ties, while the Chicago Tribune has described MAS as the American arm of the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood, which "preaches that religion and politics cannot be separated and that governments eventually should be Islamic."

So far, Minnesotans have said a resolute "no" to Muslim activists' agenda; in an informal Star Tribune poll, 92% of respondents blamed the imams' own behavior for their airport detention. And Target--after unsuccessful attempts to accommodate Muslim cashiers--is reassigning them to other jobs. Still, there is a sense that we've seen just the opening skirmishes. As MAC spokesman Patrick Hogan put it, "I think people are afraid there will be a chapter two."

Ms. Kersten is a columnist for the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
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Old March 25th, 2007, 05:41 PM   #2
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Cliffs:

Lots of Muslims have made thier way to MN.

Muslims want to force Sharia Law (i.e. official and unoffical Muslim rules) on everyone around them.

Radical Muslims are using our system to push an anti-American agenda.
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thats stupid, they should be sent back to arabia
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i dont like it.
i dont care that there muslem, i dont like any agenda (other than feeding/housig the poor) that is based on religon, any religon.
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fawk that shit! They fawkin wonder why we ( americans ) hate them... geee i wonder why? They push there way in and want to be treated equal but yet complain about our laws and want them changed so they can be happy.
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thats stupid, they should be sent back to arabia
maby i missed it in the art.
are they us citizens? if not send them home., if they are then its un american to do so, as they would have every right to be the giant gaping assholes that they are.
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fawk that shit! They fawkin wonder why we ( americans ) hate them... geee i wonder why? They push there way in and want to be treated equal but yet complain about our laws and want them changed so they can be happy.
but thats what every one has done sence the founding of the country
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maby i missed it in the art.
are they us citizens? if not send them home., if they are then its un american to do so, as they would have every right to be the giant gaping assholes that they are.
no idea if they're citizens, i dont care though if thats there attitude get out.

america is a free country, but if you dont like it dont just sit there and bitch about it, leave and go back to b-f-in egypt and see how much you like it.

just my .02
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no idea if they're citizens, i dont care though if thats there attitude get out.

america is a free country, but if you dont like it dont just sit there and bitch about it, leave and go back to b-f-in egypt and see how much you like it.

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thats the point of the art. there not sitin and bitchen, there doing something about it.
leaving would be sitin and bitching
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My issue is this:

In the U.S. we have a concept called "separation of church and state".

This means that no state, county, or local body can pass or enact any laws, ordnances, rules, or regulations, that enforce Muslim Sharia law.

If you don't want to transport alcohol, don't drive a cab. But more to the point, what if cab drivers started openly declaring they wouldn't pick up blacks? Or Muslims? How well would that play? Conceptually, declaring that you won't pick up fares who are legally transorting alcohol is no different than that. THAT'S the point they're missing.
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My issue is this:

In the U.S. we have a concept called "separation of church and state".

This means that no state, county, or local body can pass or enact any laws, ordnances, rules, or regulations, that enforce Muslim Sharia law.

If you don't want to transport alcohol, don't drive a cab. But more to the point, what if cab drivers started openly declaring they wouldn't pick up blacks? Or Muslims? How well would that play? Conceptually, declaring that you won't pick up fares who are legally transorting alcohol is no different than that. THAT'S the point they're missing.
i agree 100 percent,
the seperation of church and state is one of the most important rule as far as im concernd.
this is the same argument that i have for abortion, gay rights ect....
i get real mad about any religon trying to dictate law
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We have a HUGE population of somali here. Generally, they seem like good people and do not cause any problems. They tend to work hard, and as the article suggests, many are cab drivers and LOTS are cashiers. This story has been getting tons of attention here in the Twin Cities, and people are REALLY mad about it. The people here welcomed the Hmong and Somali groups to the area with open-arms and now the people here appear to be quite offended by this religious mumbo-jumbo. We need to stop pandering to this type of religious dictation. If you cant touch pork, dont be a cashier. If you dont want to drive someone who has alcohol dont be a cab driver. It is ridiculous and will be met by staunch resistance by the people here.
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My issue is this:

In the U.S. we have a concept called "separation of church and state".

This means that no state, county, or local body can pass or enact any laws, ordnances, rules, or regulations, that enforce Muslim Sharia law.

If you don't want to transport alcohol, don't drive a cab. But more to the point, what if cab drivers started openly declaring they wouldn't pick up blacks? Or Muslims? How well would that play? Conceptually, declaring that you won't pick up fares who are legally transorting alcohol is no different than that. THAT'S the point they're missing.
Precisely what I was thinking. What if Catholics decided not to serve anyone who is pregnant or has a child that isn't married?

Hell, lets just get real nuts and let the Amish run the country. It'd be a wholesome life and LOTS of work to go around.
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Precisely what I was thinking. What if Catholics decided not to serve anyone who is pregnant or has a child that isn't married?

Hell, lets just get real nuts and let the Amish run the country. It'd be a wholesome life and LOTS of work to go around.
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My issue is this:

In the U.S. we have a concept called "separation of church and state".

This means that no state, county, or local body can pass or enact any laws, ordnances, rules, or regulations, that enforce Muslim Sharia law.

If you don't want to transport alcohol, don't drive a cab. But more to the point, what if cab drivers started openly declaring they wouldn't pick up blacks? Or Muslims? How well would that play? Conceptually, declaring that you won't pick up fares who are legally transorting alcohol is no different than that. THAT'S the point they're missing.
Well put. If I drove a cab and did that I would be in a world of shit. I beleive they have an agenda and it doesn't look pretty. Like the article said, they seem to be using our civil rights laws against us.
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First off I only read 2/3 off the art and posts before getting so pissed I could spit fire.

We should not be adopting any of their laws or beliefs. This is supposed to be "The Melting Pot". They are welcome to stay but they need to melt in with society and learnd to adapt to the American ways or GET THE fukc OUT.
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If we imposed our beliefs (or even practiced them) in their homeland wouldn't they behead us??

I had to go to Mayo Clinic for a diagnosis last may and my mom saw the first full berka wearing woman dutifully walking behind her husband....I almost had to tackle my mom...she wanted to "free" the woman
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Umm....if they don't want to transport alcohol, that is their right. Remember, we have rights here in da U.S. of A.

I, working on side jobs in my garage, also have the right to refuse work I don't want to do. And I regularly refuse some jobs.

If you don't agree with the way they run their company, then don't use it.
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Umm....if they don't want to transport alcohol, that is their right. Remember, we have rights here in da U.S. of A.

I, working on side jobs in my garage, also have the right to refuse work I don't want to do. And I regularly refuse some jobs.

If you don't agree with the way they run their company, then don't use it.
I'm all for capitalism and what-not. I think the problem is the underlying message here. Which seems to be that I'm supposed to bend to thier religious beliefs. Not gonna happen.

Seems like there'd be a market for a new cab company in St. Paul. Hmmmm... And if I were the customers at Target that was made to scan my own food, I'd sue on discrimination. The company is at fault because that cashier represented their company as a place that discriminates against people that eat pork, making us scan our own products as if they are some kind of disease.

Tolerance has to go both ways, when one side draws a line and says they will not be tolerant of someone else... that's how wars start.
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