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View Poll Results: Socialized heath care?
Yes, I want the Gov't to take care of me. 2 5.00%
No, I am responsible for my own needs. 34 85.00%
I am unaware, clueless or just don't care. 4 10.00%
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Old March 7th, 2007, 11:26 AM   #41
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You are all alone in your opinion, do you think maybe that's a clue that your opinion is wrong? Try using reason and logic to form an opinion.

It is not always a good idea. Giving them handouts is not helping them, it's making them dependant on the system for support. It gives them a sense of entitlement.
My "handouts" as you call them go to the Red Cross and homeless shelters/soup kitchens which help the ones that want to be helped.

I choose to also help those that can't help themselves and that goes into play healthcare for all children. Why feed the little guy starving in Africa when there are plenty of kids starving in America?
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Old March 7th, 2007, 04:18 PM   #42
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My "handouts" as you call them go to the Red Cross and homeless shelters/soup kitchens which help the ones that want to be helped.

I choose to also help those that can't help themselves and that goes into play healthcare for all children. Why feed the little guy starving in Africa when there are plenty of kids starving in America?
I have to assume that you’re talking about charity since you can't choose where your tax dollars go.

Charity is a different subject than how tax money is spent because it's voluntary. If you choose to give your money to charity, then good for you, that's very noble.

Forcing someone to give to charity by taxing them is what we are talking about here. You're strawmaning again.
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Old March 7th, 2007, 08:43 PM   #43
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This is america where greed rules. . . . what other can we get people to be chartiable besides forcing them. LBJ understood it :tonka: even though his system needs an overhaul it was put together with the best of intentions.
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Old March 7th, 2007, 09:30 PM   #44
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So I assume that you think at one point all the people that can't work will just die off?

If we are lucky.
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Old March 8th, 2007, 10:33 AM   #45
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This is america where LAZINESS rules. . . . WHAT other way can we get people to WORK besides forcing them? LBJ understood it :tonka: even though his system needs an overhaul it was put together with the best of intentions.
Fixed it for you.

I'm done trying to reason, clearly everyone else was right about you.

Welcome to my ignore list.
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Old March 10th, 2007, 06:10 PM   #46
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How long before we are a true socialist economy? Then, how long after that will we be communist? We already have a socialist education system.... and look how our childerns test scores rank compared to, say, countries in Europe or Japan. Our Childrens education system sucks! Why is that?

This is a radical idea I know....... but here goes........

I think we should get rid of health care insurance companies....... and let the market decide.....

The competition would be fierce!

The doctors would have to compete with their skills.... I don't think there would be a 'so-so' or bad doctor around after a few months! The good quality of the medical professionals would get better with the competition. Lets say that "Dr. A" is charging less than "Dr. B" for the same quality and service, you wouldn't go to "Dr. B"........ Why do you think the medical facilities don't quote you prices for proceedures? THEY DON'T HAVE TO! Would you shop around for that next MRI you needed. Watch the looks on the faces of the desk clerk when you ask for a quote for a proceedure....... and tell them you don't have insurance and you need to shop around..... i'd be interested in hearing their answer!

(this is all in relation to a non-emergency situation)

Its the supply and demand theory! You wouldn't spend your money on a brand new car that had proven to be a piece of shit, would you?
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Old March 10th, 2007, 08:56 PM   #47
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So, by reading this thread, I see that health care will become a right because it's a good thing to do. Alright then.

Socialized health care will be like public housing and public transportation - poorly managed, low quality, and extremely expensive services used only by those who can't afford not to.

You want to reduce the cost of health care? Try this:

(1) Tort Reform. Why do drugs cost less in Canada? No, the answer is not "George Bush". It's because they don't allow class action lawsuits. Health care is an inexact science, and all drugs have some form of side effect. If something goes wrong you (or your survivors) should not be made wealthy. Choices have consequences.
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Old March 12th, 2007, 11:53 AM   #48
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The root cause of the broken health care system is greed.

1.) Doctor's are trained to prescribe medication to supress your symptoms. They are not trained to find the cause of your illness and cure it.

2.) Drug companies are all too happy sell you a drug that will actually cause more problems later on, but will supress, not cure,the symptoms you have now. For a nice price, of course. None of this will actually make you a healthy person.

3.) The FDA is lobbied with lots of $$$ from these same drug companies to keep the game going.

4.) Politicians are lining their pockets by purchasing stock in these drug companies based on insider information about new drugs that will soon be approved by the FDA.

They don't care about your health they want your money.

Socialized health care is not going to solve anything. It will only make it easier to get more people to use prescription drugs that will eventually make them sicker and in need of more drugs. All the while making Drug companies, politicians, and doctors rich.

Read this guy's book natural cures, it will open your eyes.....

http://www.naturalcures.com/
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Old March 13th, 2007, 11:29 AM   #49
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Here is yet another person who understands the real deal here....

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/H...ut_health_care

Since the poll today is 33 to 1 with 3 people not caring, I guess we can consider it a land slide victory against social health care. At least on GL4x4.

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Yeah, ok ill chime into this.


Canadian healthcare has its issues, everything does.

why is it successful in canada but never in the US:

We spend more on healthcare then wars
We have stricter gun rules (haha)


I dont think you quite grasp the whole socialized medicine thing. If u work and have benefits u get private rooms and different opportunities, and yet the unemployed and fixed income population can still get basic health care.

We pay for it, out of every paycheck, it's a specific deduction.

I respect alot of your views and understand yer hesitation to put faith in a government to run such an integral thing as healthcare, but cmon i mean shit some of u voted fer Bush!
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The biggest problem with healthcare costs, which hasn't yet been addressed in this thread, is frivolous lawsuits!

I work for a large Healthcare insruance company. Its crazy the stupid lawsuits that get filed against us and doctors daily. Millions of dollars because some yahoo makes a mistake and wants to blame it on someone. Malpractice insurance alone costs some doctors upwards of $300,000 a year.

Put a cap on frivolous lawsuits, and you will have a major decrease in Healthcare costs.

Technology is the other reason for high healthcare costs. The better the treatment, the newer the technology, the more it costs.
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The biggest problem with healthcare costs, which hasn't yet been addressed in this thread, is frivolous lawsuits!

I work for a large Healthcare insruance company. Its crazy the stupid lawsuits that get filed against us and doctors daily. Millions of dollars because some yahoo makes a mistake and wants to blame it on someone. Malpractice insurance alone costs some doctors upwards of $300,000 a year.

Put a cap on frivolous lawsuits, and you will have a major decrease in Healthcare costs.

Technology is the other reason for high healthcare costs. The better the treatment, the newer the technology, the more it costs.

Back to the thing I say all the time!........

When is there going to be a law that makes people responsible for their own actions?
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 09:00 AM   #53
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Agreeing with the rest of the thread that:

1. Lawsuits increase the healthcare prices

2. Welfare is a drain on our society as it is and needs to be reworked (although not completely wiped out)

3. Health care as it is will be exceedingly expensive in the future, which is probably why the "socialize it" idea SEEMS like a good idea to Woohaw as then only those with the money will get the care. However, this is an extremely wrong route to take with it, as there are better ways to reform our healthcare system without having it government run. #1 in my list is a good damn start.

4. Woohaw's intentions can be good at times, but very misdirected. And stupid. I honestly feel I've become dumber for reading some of his posts.

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6. PROFIT!
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