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Old March 12th, 2007, 08:48 AM   #1
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Happy Friday.

This may come as a surprise to those of you watching, or maybe it won't, the FBI properly and sometimes illegally used the Patriot Act to get personal information about people in the United States. This is the kind of stuff that happens when the war on terror is used as an excuse to circumvent our civil liberties, which has become the hallmark of the Bush administration.

The Justice Department's inspector general was looking at the FBI's use of something called national security letters. Agents use these to get personal and business information about people from third parties without court orders.

The audit found that for three years, the FBI under reported to Congress how often it used these national security letters, under reported by about 22 percent.

It said in many cases, the FBI was trying to get information it "could have obtained properly" by following other presumably legal guidelines.

The report blames agent error and shoddy reporting for the problems.

The FBI's director, Robert Mueller, calls the audit report excellent and said he's to blame for not fixing the problems earlier. Members of Congress want hearings now and some say they want to consider reigning in parts of the Patriot Act, something that is an absolutely wonderful idea that is way, way overdue.

So here's the question this hour — does it surprise you that the FBI misused the Patriot Act in order to get personal information about Americans?

E-mail your thoughts to caffertyfile@cnn.com or go to cnn.com/caffertyfile.

I wonder what they know about you — Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Oh, well, let's keep that to ourselves, Jack.

Who do you think is responsible for all of this?

Because everybody seems to be saying well, I take part blame.

Who do you blame?

CAFFERTY: Well, there's a climate in Washington, beginning with the passage of the Patriot Act and the NSA spying and the trolling through bank records and the trolling through opening people's mail and all of the other things that have gone on under the guise of the war on terror and keeping us safe that have created, I think, a climate where this kind of thing is — is sort of, you know, it's a wink and a nod and you do it the most expedient way possible, whether it's legal or not, because there's been no oversight of any of this stuff for the last six years.

And so people have learned that there's no accountability. They don't have to worry about it. And, you know, they to pretty much whatever they want to do. It's — it's — it's horrible. But I think there's, you know, there's a climate that exists in Washington — or at least has — that's allowed this kind of stuff to take root and grow.

MALVEAUX: Well, hopefully our records are still private, Jack.

CAFFERTY: Well, let's hope. Especially the stuff about you and me.

MALVEAUX: Oh my goodness, don't start any rumors. No rumors. No rumors.

CAFFERTY: All right.
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Old March 12th, 2007, 08:52 AM   #2
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I'm Mike Sova. Even though I can't think for myself, and provide any of my own insight, I can sure

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Old March 12th, 2007, 09:02 AM   #3
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you want insight, ok, I agree with Jack Cafferty on this, it's pretty straightforward. The administration is using the war on terror as an excuse to do whatever they want and stomp all over our civil liberties.

what I posted was an opinion piece, that i didn't think needed alot of explaining.

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LOL, so you more then likely think that the article is right but you don't want to admit that so you say something to Sova about how he's a copy/paste mad man :tonka: :tonka:

Man, that article sounds a lot like steps towards communism, CC I thought you would be all over that article and how wrong it is to steal away freedom.
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LOL, so you more then likely think that the article is right but you don't want to admit that so you say something to Sova about how he's a copy/paste mad man :tonka: :tonka:

Man, that article sounds a lot like steps towards communism, CC I thought you would be all over that article and how wrong it is to steal away freedom.
Now you know what happens when you assume....
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Are you saying that he likes communism??
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Are you saying that he likes communism??
WTF are you talking about. You assume something that he never stated his opinion on.
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Wow, go figure a post in the P, G or R section from Muddypaws that has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.


I'm still waiting to hear CC's comments on how this isn't similar to communism.
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