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Old January 24th, 2006, 12:35 PM   #21
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not that I go this way, but I'm curious. do you prefer a left handed reach around, or a right handed one?
Wow this post just took a turn for the ugly! Haha
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Old January 24th, 2006, 12:38 PM   #22
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trust me i have chewed on that, had a really good close friend get raped by her ex, that fucker got 5 yrs in the big house. because he left the scene stole her car and drove his drunk ass around...5 yrs and her kids will have to live with the picture of their mother getting beat and raped for the rest of their lives...she called me after she dialed 911 and I beat the cops there from post. WTF? how is it that i beat cops (coding) to a rape/beating in progress. you gotta be kidding me... if i had my way all rapist would be shot and killed execution style in the street on public television.

So whats your point again?

cops need to be forced to write tickets to keep their jobs?

or are you arguing that people need to take responsibility for their actions? if so i agree,
i just think cops could spend their time and effort differently if they didnt have to worry about "how many tickets did I write today?".."oh i better pull them over they didnt use their turn signal".
I expected this type of response from someone, and almost offered up my own experiences as well. I have known, and/or debated with deke on this, MJ, and/or other sites to know he was trolling for a different argument here, so chose to attempt to deflect it, or lighten the mood, by asking how he'd feel if he were raped.

he didn't take the bait.

to you, and your friend, I certainly meant no offense, and feel similar emotions towards rapists. Especially examples that appear to be clear cut as you have illustrated.

that being said, I *think* part of what deke may have been going at, is that there are often times of "remorse" rape reports - and that grey area when people are drunk and initially consent, then recant.

like most of our laws, there are grey areas, and half truths, and other situations that muddy the waters. a few months ago, a man was released from prison (finally) some 10 years after his daughter was able to finally convince the system that she had been coerced by the legal system, and her mother to lie as a child about being raped/molested by her father... good thing for him, that he wasn't shot execution style I suppose... as it was, he rotted in jail for decades as an innocent man.
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Wow this post just took a turn for the ugly! Haha
I was trying to lighten the post a bit, as I predicted an even uglier response to deke's rape comment.
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Old January 24th, 2006, 12:58 PM   #24
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I expected this type of response from someone, and almost offered up my own experiences as well. I have known, and/or debated with deke on this, MJ, and/or other sites to know he was trolling for a different argument here, so chose to attempt to deflect it, or lighten the mood, by asking how he'd feel if he were raped.

he didn't take the bait.

to you, and your friend, I certainly meant no offense, and feel similar emotions towards rapists. Especially examples that appear to be clear cut as you have illustrated.

that being said, I *think* part of what deke may have been going at, is that there are often times of "remorse" rape reports - and that grey area when people are drunk and initially consent, then recant.

like most of our laws, there are grey areas, and half truths, and other situations that muddy the waters. a few months ago, a man was released from prison (finally) some 10 years after his daughter was able to finally convince the system that she had been coerced by the legal system, and her mother to lie as a child about being raped/molested by her father... good thing for him, that he wasn't shot execution style I suppose... as it was, he rotted in jail for decades as an innocent man.
I didnt take any offense, no worries, and i truly did apprecitte your obvious attempt at humor, unfortunatly for dave (the ex) i know entirely to many officers in the Savannah Law Enforcement/ Corrections Community, and he got taken care of just fine while inside, as i recall my buddy chris told me that his cell/bunk mate was the house kingpin/pimp whatever. there are many other circumstances in that situation that lead to his conviction, previous convictions, relative history etc.

as to the gray area of the law, I agree and truly feel bad for the people that get wrongly convicted, it is unfortunate. and yes thankfully they didnt get taken care of MY way, that should be reserved for the truly jacked up. Multiple convictions, DNA evidence proof etc.

unfortunatly corruption is entirely to fluent with in our legal system, witness's get lead. Evidence if fakedetc. that sucks. wish we could do something to fix it.

I just dont think cops should be told how many tickets they need write per shift hence the reason i posted up this thread to support the boyz in blue and their minor scale effort to rid Rochester city of its corruption and allow them the freedom to protect the community better in the first place.

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Old January 24th, 2006, 01:18 PM   #25
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Holy spin off.

What I'm getting at is officer's tend to be very lax on their enforcement of cars and the roadways. Somewhere along the line someone probally got killed or messed up in a car wreck and from above it was said they need to step up their enforcement.

While I'm sure you'll argue, O its just for money you should probally look at where that money goes. Its varies district to district too.
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Old January 24th, 2006, 02:46 PM   #26
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I'm gonna keep my opinions to myself, but I am married to a command officer. I'm finding this topic quite interesting. (and no, I haven't asked my husband if they force their officer to write a certain amount of tickets, I don't care, because I don't speed or do other stuff to get pulled over) :dunie:
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Old January 24th, 2006, 03:06 PM   #27
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Quite honestly, the quota system probably had good intentions to start but has twisted way too far. I believe the intent of any law really is to provide a level of safety for everyone and as such should be enforced and viewed from that manner. 80 in a 65 for instance when a guy is alone on a straight freeway stretch in broad daylight is not something I think thats necessarily unsafe and thus worth pursuing. 60 in a 45 during rush hour is a completely different matter. Same thing applies to rape i think and that grey area. No matter what people will say when asked, we as humans lust for sex and given the right situation can be put in a position where sex can occur and its not always wanted after the fact. The problem here is the mentality of retaliation that has creeped into society over the "shit happens" and move on. Hell, I have and I know women with me have had sex and later regretted it even a couple times right after the fireworks. Once even laughing it off and just chilling there because we both needed it. Anyway, I'm going to go stare at the Tat thread pic some more.
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Old January 24th, 2006, 03:08 PM   #28
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Holy spin off.

What I'm getting at is officer's tend to be very lax on their enforcement of cars and the roadways. Somewhere along the line someone probally got killed or messed up in a car wreck and from above it was said they need to step up their enforcement.

While I'm sure you'll argue, O its just for money you should probally look at where that money goes. Its varies district to district too.
for the first time in my memory, since the fed's eased up off of the nuts of the federally mandated 55 speed limit, the Michigan State Police are looking to raise speed limits on a couple of metro area freeways.

It seems, that their studies have found that it's actually unsafe to have posted speed limits that are grossly out of line with the prevailing speed.

go figure.

funny too, as some people will complain that cops are lax, except when they themselves get a ticket, then the cops are arse holes, with "nothing better to do".

I'm fully ok, and know that I deserve way more tickets than I've ever gotten...
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Kalamazoo DPS Officers must write 2 traffic tickets each shift they work.
What are the ramifications if they do not write the tickets?
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What are the ramifications if they do not write the tickets?

There are no ramifications for any officer who doesn't not meet any sort of bullshit idea that there is a quota inside their station.

Yes it does look good in a district to have a decent number or tickets filed and given, but not 1 single department will have a poster on the wall saying that each officer must write a certain number of tickets, it would not only be unjust but if it was held against the officer to write those tickets the department would be repremanded from the state itself.

For you to say there is a ticket quota because of a speed trap is bullshit!! You need to understand that the speed traps are the one true way of having more people pay attention to their speed in a vehicle. If you know the speed trap is there then you will be more likely to follow the law, if you are driving normally figuring at most you will see one patrol car on the express way going home you take your chances and slow down and speed back up to 85 depending on whether or not that car a mile up you think is a cop (and if you can see the car with your eyes clearly to see if its a cop then they already have your speed so locking them up and causing accidents behind you doens't do anything)

Please realize that if you didn't push the buttons of the PRIVILEGE to drive a motor vehicle then this wouldn't be an issue. If you are doing 20 mph over the speed limit set forth by the highway SAFETY (i dont' care if you think you can handle a car at 100 like a nascar driver, most people can't) then you deserve to be punished, if you are doing 5 mph over then you aren't going to get pulled over, so just don't push the button too far and this wouldn't be a topic of conversation every two months when someone is pissed they got a 10 over ticket while doing 87 in a 70. (since they most likely gave you a break to begin with and god forbid they do their job)
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There are no ramifications for any officer who doesn't not meet any sort of bullshit idea that there is a quota inside their station.

Yes it does look good in a district to have a decent number or tickets filed and given, but not 1 single department will have a poster on the wall saying that each officer must write a certain number of tickets, it would not only be unjust but if it was held against the officer to write those tickets the department would be repremanded from the state itself.
Rochester, Michigan has a ticket quota. Officers have been suspended and threatened with discharge for not meeting the quota. It is reality. It exists. Your statement that none one department has a quota is not accurate - NOT ACCURATE.

Rochester, Michigan has a quota. Check it out for yourself.
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Rochester, Michigan has a ticket quota. Officers have been suspended and threatened with discharge for not meeting the quota. It is reality. It exists. Your statement that none one department has a quota is not accurate - NOT ACCURATE.

Rochester, Michigan has a quota. Check it out for yourself.
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Rochester, Michigan has a ticket quota. Officers have been suspended and threatened with discharge for not meeting the quota. It is reality. It exists. Your statement that none one department has a quota is not accurate - NOT ACCURATE.

Rochester, Michigan has a quota. Check it out for yourself.

I will gladly call the Rochester Police department and ask them if they have a quota for each traffic officer on duty, in fact you do the same thing and we will compare answers
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I will gladly call the Rochester Police department and ask them if they have a quota for each traffic officer on duty, in fact you do the same thing and we will compare answers
Hell, for $20 I'll call the guy a CHICKEN FUCKER !
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I will gladly call the Rochester Police department and ask them if they have a quota for each traffic officer on duty, in fact you do the same thing and we will compare answers
They have a quota for each officer on duty - not for each traffic officer - check it out - call tomorrow. Check these news stories...


http://www.poam.net/ce_rochester.htm

http://http://www.hometownlife.com/a...512150659/1034
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