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Old March 7th, 2007, 10:29 AM   #1
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Granholm countered that her plan would cut business taxes by $500 million across the state, although businesses would pay almost twice that amount statewide in a new 2% tax on services they use.


Remember the pre-election speeches? 2% TAX CUTS FOR SMALL BUSINESS IN MICHIGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am embarrassed for the idiots who voted for her. I am soooooooooooooooo happy that 95% of my business income is out of state. I am sooooooooooooooooooo happy all of that is tax free, and I soooooooooooooooooo hope that granholm goes back to canada.

Its really sad that this now 7% unemployment welfare state is being driven in a downward spiral by this evil evil lady.



Here is a news story about comerica bank leaving michigan:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...703070322/1019

but don't worry, your fearless leader granholm is OPTIMISTIC about a turn around.

Optimistic? You stupid bitch, tell us why. Every single fricken article includes how "Jenny" is optimistic. Never once have I seen her comment on why she is so looking forward to the future of this destroyed state.
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Old March 7th, 2007, 10:36 AM   #2
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Preach it, I have been watching the news and interviews with her. What a worthless lady.
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why do i see privatized law enforcement coming to old detroit soon? lawls..

good thing ford brought the taurus nameplate back ..
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I guess you now understand how I feel when Bush got reelected . . . well, less then 4 more years to go till you get to try again with someone else.
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i can honestly say i like Jenny.


She didn't destroy the state, the state of businesses in this state destroyed the state.

the small business Tax is going to be gone, and you have to make that money up somewhere. especially when you are a billion in the hole.

and if you honestly think a Republican would have things completely different well you are mistaken, their only choices would be, ignore the problem and let it fix itself or Play with tax money to make up the loss.
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Hmmm.... Just out of curiousity, what would you have her (or Michigan Government) do? I'm not pleased with how things are going currently (I wasn't when Engler was in office either) though I am a Granholm supporter.

I don't follow politics as much as I should, but I am always willing to hear the other side though. For me, it's not all republican or democratic, it's about who I think will do the best job.

I guess what I'm asking (in a nice and serious way) is to convince me of my error in supporting Granholm. I hear the 2% tax cut thing and have read a bit about that but need to do more. Give me what you feel are other examples of her doing a poor job.
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I don't know about evil evil lady more like useless clueless wench. What do you expect she was elected as Attorney General thru her connections to Mcnamara's corrupt political machine. As Attorney General she did nothing but campaign for Govenor now that she is Govenor she has done nothing.
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Raise the sales tax from 6% to 7 or 8%, then every single person who buys anything will contribute. This 2% service tax will kill the small business in Michigan. Think about it ... Any restuarant will now have to charge a service tax, you need a new battery for that Jeep, AutoZone will now have to charge you a 2% service tax just becuase the guy checks you out at the counter. This Service tax will be applied to any business that pays someone an hourly wage to provide a service for you (ie: waitress, mechanic, bartender, the minimum wage guy at the McDonald's drive thru ...). on paper it looks great for the $$$ it will raise, but how long before everyone turns to the internet, or leave the frick'n state so they can afford to live?
Say what you will about Engler, but the state was in a much better "state" when he was driving his Buick to the Mackinaw Mansion!
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I guess what I'm asking (in a nice and serious way) is to convince me of my error in supporting Granholm. I hear the 2% tax cut thing and have read a bit about that but need to do more. Give me what you feel are other examples of her doing a poor job.
Its nothing that can be fixed immediately, no matter who is in power, but granholm is compounding the problems.

Increasing taxes (which granholm has done over and over, and more are in the works) do nothing but REMOVE power from the people, and put it in the hands of the government. This is makes a welfare state, supports communism, and lowers the working mans bring home.

When the working man is bringing home less money, they have less money to buy stuff. When people can't afford to buy stuff, manufacturers do not have to build as much stuff, that means the bottom line gets cut. This means people are fired/layed off. This means the people who are layed off go on government assistance. Be it WIC, welfare, or unemployment aid. This adds to the governmental burden. Which means they have to RAISE more taxes.

It is a never ending downward spiral, slowly removing bring home pay from working people, and putting it in the hands of people without jobs.

Comerica is moving away, Michigan is going to lose 7000 jobs. This means 7000 people will be getting handouts from the government, and this means we have to come up with

7000x380.00 per week = $2,730,000
or $131,960,000 in government unemployment "benefits" handouts because of these 7000 jobs lost in the next year (if everyone goes to unemployment). And Michigan is the only state losing jobs.

It will never end until someone LOWERS taxes, LOWERS governmental handouts, and cleans house.

I'm going to start flying this flag below my american flag in place of the michigan flag.
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Raise the sales tax from 6% to 7 or 8%, then every single person who buys anything will contribute. This 2% service tax will kill the small business in Michigan. Think about it ... Any restuarant will now have to charge a service tax, you need a new battery for that Jeep, AutoZone will now have to charge you a 2% service tax just becuase the guy checks you out at the counter. This Service tax will be applied to any business that pays someone an hourly wage to provide a service for you (ie: waitress, mechanic, bartender, the minimum wage guy at the McDonald's drive thru ...). on paper it looks great for the $$$ it will raise, but how long before everyone turns to the internet, or leave the frick'n state so they can afford to live?
Say what you will about Engler, but the state was in a much better "state" when he was driving his Buick to the Mackinaw Mansion!
I doubt I'll see many autozones dying because they can't afford the service tax. This might kill some mom and pop stores but that was a long time coming if they can't adapt to a 2000 era business plan.

Now as for raising the sales tax I think that would be a great way to generate money. It's 8.5% in IL and 9.5% in Chicago and you don't see people running to IN or IA to do their shopping.

Actually lets do both, implement that service tax and the sales tax and eliminate the deficit.
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I doubt I'll see many autozones dying because they can't afford the service tax.

you don't get it, do you?

This means there will be another 2% tax across the board, and that means we will be earning 2% less then we already do. This means some people will not be able to afford jeep batteries because they have to make their house payments instead. This means that autozone will lose business, not directly from the 2% but from the lack of customers without money.
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Give me what you feel are other examples of her doing a poor job.
Maybe I'm way off track, but I haven't read any news about her concerns for another "small" industry in Michigan called tourism. I haven't read of any initiatives or campaigns to lure out of state vacationers to MI.

I understand that Michiganders travel and vacation within our state. A lot of dollars from the lower right corner of the state support all the other areas. If manufacturing is healthy, the tourism dependant communities will see the fruits of in-state tourism. When manufacturing is down, in state tourism is down. What is being done to bring out of state folks to the tourist spots until the manufacturing rebounds?
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But if the extra money actually gets used correctly and more jobs get created then that 2% is a small price to pay.


The Money has to come from somewhere? If you have a better idea as to where it can come from why don't you purpose.


and if you want to take it from the welfare system, a lot of good that will do you, because instead of setting around at home in a drunken stupor, They will go out and steal what they want, and will just end up in Prison.
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But if the extra money actually gets used correctly and more jobs get created then that 2% is a small price to pay.
But this 2% is to cover a deficit. This means we are already spending above our states income, so this money is only going to pay off the bills, and it will do nothing to help get more jobs. This 2% raise out of the buyers (the working man) will be funneled to people who don't work, or are already leaching of the system. You don't see the steal from the rich, give to the poor thing happening here? Except we are stealing from the middle class, and giving to the poor.

This service tax will also kill the business' around the michigan borders. Why buy that battery from the michigan autozone, when I can get it 4% cheaper in indiana?
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so you'd rather not do anything and just get more into Debt?
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so you'd rather not do anything and just get more into Debt?
Just like I said above, Cut taxes, and cut spending by eliminating government drains. Its worked a million times, until the liberals get in there and start giving away the working mans money to everyone.
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But if the extra money actually gets used correctly and more jobs get created then that 2% is a small price to pay.


The Money has to come from somewhere? If you have a better idea as to where it can come from why don't you purpose.


and if you want to take it from the welfare system, a lot of good that will do you, because instead of setting around at home in a drunken stupor, They will go out and steal what they want, and will just end up in Prison.

What do you mean "gets used correctly" on what?
What goddamn jobs is the government going to create?

"The money has to come from somewhere" for what?????????????/
Thats a great plan, pay lazy fat fuckers that wont work so they don't steal from you. Are you fucking stupid??????????
Can you tell me what the hell is the differance????

How about letting me keep my own money and I will defend my own "stuff".

I've never seen so many dumb fucking opinions in my life.
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Agreed. I'm glad I don't live in MI anymore. I had no desire to own a home there due to the impending self-implosion of detroit.

I love when you look at the stats of Democrat run cities/states versus the stats of republican run cities/states. The shittiest cities in America are run (for the most part) by Liberals.
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Why doesn't she give back out of her own pocket, I am sure she is over paid. I am one of those affected by the states economy. I have not been able to find work in almost six months because the aoutomotive trade is going down that means I don't have job because it is tited with the auto industry. She needs to go.
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What do you mean "gets used correctly" on what?
What goddamn jobs is the government going to create?

"The money has to come from somewhere" for what?????????????/
Thats a great plan, pay lazy fat fuckers that wont work so they don't steal from you. Are you fucking stupid??????????
Can you tell me what the hell is the differance????

How about letting me keep my own money and I will defend my own "stuff".

I've never seen so many dumb fucking opinions in my life.
well if you defend your own stuff and shoot the assclown stealing your Benjamin's, then he has to go to the hospital and the state has to pay for this and you will eventually press charges and he will end up in jail. and Hitler proved you can't get away with cleansing a population (in this case low life welfare recipients) You have to do something for them, as much as it sucks, unless you want them to keep inbreeding.

ANd under her plan she is going to create jobs by making michigan residents smarter and appealing to businesses. whether or not this works has yet to be determined. Economics are complicated and there are lots of ways to solve a problem.

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