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Old January 18th, 2006, 06:25 PM   #1
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Post The "New" Wrangler

Just wanted to start a exploratory discussion on the new wrangler. Many mixed emotion and feelings on my side. From the new kick ass control arms, to the debateable Electric fan and lose of the I-6. Power windows and locks, anyone really look at the driveshafts! The stock front and rear bumpers are absolutely horrible along with the over styling (liberty grill). The windows on the windshield and the top look mighty easy to break and or debri prying them out. They did a nice job cleaning up the ground clearance issues in the center. Longer and wider ... hmm. The kick ass sound system with audio inputs! Better approach angles. The hard top with removable driver and passenger section. Electronic sway bar disconnects? The new storage compartment in the rear and seat designs. Wonder the price???
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Old January 18th, 2006, 06:35 PM   #2
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i have seen a article about them. soands liek alot of expensive shit thats not needed. is that the rubicion model with sway bar dissconnects? thats not needed. but i guess it will be expensive. a damn rubi is over 30 grand new. a damn chevy trucks are 30 40 grand. shits gettin way to expensive.
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Old January 18th, 2006, 06:42 PM   #3
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My opinion: The newer and newer vehicles become, the less "wallet friendly" they become when it comes to personalizing (modifying) them. The article I read on them said they had CV drive shafts, and basically a caravan motor in them (the 3.8), and like you said there are some cheap looking things on them. Add that to more sophisticated things like th sway bar disconnects and you've got something that's going to cost more to lift/modify than the previous TJ...I mean face it, how many 3.8 hop ups have you heard of? I'm sure they'll come, but with a ton of cost in the first few years (which can be expected with any new motor I guess)

To me that sucks. I guess if you were buying it as someone who has no desire to modify it then it's fine...but most people looking at them arent like that, or atleast that's what I'd think.

I guess I'm kinda half-half as well.....and nothing on it really thrills me, but the top is way cool - but who knows if it'll leak
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Old January 18th, 2006, 06:58 PM   #4
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well I can say I am not real happy with the 4 door model. its back seat is bigger but the head room is less, can't sit in it without being head first into the speaker boxes left over from the TJ, its a suck ass design. the drive shafts are spline tube, just like the current rear shafts in the WJ & XK the shafts spline is stamped into the tube itself, and the design says "bend me" all over it. so good luck getting the best rig for the money. these are built for soccer moms that want to move up from thier mini vans.

ps they are really good offroad as a stock unit, I don't know what it will take to modify one to do real hard stuff.
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Old January 18th, 2006, 07:53 PM   #5
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Dont we have enough threads about the new wrangler ?
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Old January 18th, 2006, 07:57 PM   #6
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If you like it, and can afford it, get one.

as for me, it's 98 tj untill further notice.
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Old January 18th, 2006, 08:23 PM   #7
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i would like to get 1, if i can in the next few years i will. I like change and the idea of doing/trying something new. I will probably buy 1 when i graduate from College(it will be a present to myself after a long and hard fight)
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Old January 18th, 2006, 08:26 PM   #8
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i have seen a article about them. soands liek alot of expensive shit thats not needed. is that the rubicion model with sway bar dissconnects? thats not needed. but i guess it will be expensive. a damn rubi is over 30 grand new. a damn chevy trucks are 30 40 grand. shits gettin way to expensive.
I saw the article too, but the one at the auto show had traditional swaybar connects....

And what do you think new rubis today cost, add a hardtop and an auto your lookin at 31-32k

And a chevy truck for 30K is gonna be a strip down pos that cant get outta its own way, kinda like the older jeeps that went for like 12k new

in case you havent noticed everything gets more expensive as time goes on. Only with a Rubi you add the price of comparable axles/tcase aftermarket to a lesser mdel and your gonna be lookin at a lot more than 30... not to mention the headache of gettin it done or payin someone else to do it. Your also forgetting about crash rating and emission standards that add a lot of crap many would not pay for if they had the choice

At the moment im too poor for one so Ill stick to my YJ and Im not gonna bitch about something I cant afford, instead I make do with what I can and love every minute of it
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Old January 18th, 2006, 08:40 PM   #9
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Yes, people should stop complaining about how much their $30k car costs and complain more about how much their $1/day medicine costs that keeps them alive.
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Old January 18th, 2006, 09:38 PM   #10
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i was at the auto show today and looked at them and i do not like them. the front fender flares are huge and they look really cheap. the interior looks a little to fancy for me. and why the hell do you need power locks and windows in a jeep?
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Old January 18th, 2006, 11:22 PM   #11
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I guess if you were buying it as someone who has no desire to modify it then it's fine...but most people looking at them arent like that, or atleast that's what I'd think.
Actually most of the people that buy Wranglers dont do modifications...people into offroading or w/e is less than 30% of the market. I think its actually less than that but i figured i would be nice with the numbers.

12k Jeeps New...Keyword...along time ago...problem=Inflation and new technology so technically the range has stayed fair.

About the roof leaking...im not worried...basically the goverment banned soft top convertibles in the future thats y all convertibles now are hardtops...everything will leak eventually but im sure its not gonna have a problem for awhile.

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i was at the auto show today and looked at them and i do not like them. the front fender flares are huge and they look really cheap. the interior looks a little to fancy for me. and why the hell do you need power locks and windows in a jeep?
Thats the point of the fender flares in the front....on the old models people always got sick of f**kin em up. Plastics are more flexible then metal...if your offroading with metal fenders and rub up a tree u got a messed up fender, but if you got plastic ones you actually have some give. It was a great idea and it needed to be done.

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Old January 19th, 2006, 03:04 AM   #12
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basically the goverment banned soft top convertibles in the future

I would like to see some reliable sources on this point.
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Old January 19th, 2006, 07:13 AM   #13
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it definitely left some skid plating to be desired -- i went last night as well

The tranny pan was completely exposed, oil pan hung right out there too, t-case had some protection and the gas tank too




I could deal with many of the other issues, but it would not be a wheeler anytime soon, definitely would keep my YJ for simplicity issues, though I would consider one as a light wheeler/DD
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Old January 19th, 2006, 11:16 AM   #14
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I would like to see some reliable sources on this point.
Its not something that was actually said, It was instilled when the government crash test ratings got stricter. The soft tops on vehicles just werent cutting it. Thats the same reason why in 2003 the padding on the roll bars got thicker on the TJ and there was plastic around the windshield frame unlike 2002 and older wrangler models. This is why when you see new convertibles today they are hard top convertibles for the most part.
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looks like a soft top to me
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what he is trying to say is due to the feds trying to make side curtain airbags mandatory and increasing the rollover standards (even for cars) in the very near future you will see very few to no soft tops. They have not been "outlawed" but the feds have made them VERY difficult and expensive to develop/build, that is why companies are bringing back the retractable hard top.
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I guess the biggest part of the debate over side bags is are they effective...50/50. they have bags that deploy down from the headliner and side bags that come up from the seat back like in our Sebring Convertable. it does reduce the head numbers , but can it save you in every crash...50/50. its all about angles and deploy height VS. incoming vehicle height( My .02). the newest test for this is the IIHS and its set as a 4000lb barge to simulate a the effects of a side impact with a average pickup truck or SUV. the tests I have run make very good progress in the way of showing the manufacturer what need to be changed to make them better... theres still lots to do.
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