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Old February 6th, 2007, 11:44 AM   #1
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The only man with a chance of beating the Hildabeast...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020500723.html

Why the conservative base wants to support him.....

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02062007..._podhoretz.htm

Latest poll averages......

GOP:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ation-192.html

Dems:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ation-191.html


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Old February 6th, 2007, 12:12 PM   #2
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Funny, though, that he wasn't well liked, before 911 landed in his lap. Best thing that ever happened to him, politically, those terrorists.

As would be expected of a mayor of a major urban center, he's significantly more liberal than the current crop of me-too .

Which makes him more electable with the general election, but will make it harder for him to get through the primaries as the chosen one. (While your NYpost article tries to brush it off, it will be a bigger factor, I think, than he claims).


I think in general, the republican primaries will be very interesting. (Well, both, really. Both parties have lost their way in the last 10-15 years.) They've got a lot of cleanup to do from the bush admin, and need to move back towards center and away from being a conservative christian party.

Hell, the GOP was started to be a liberal alternative.
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Hillary is doing a great job beating herself. Rudy seems like a great guy, but I think he is a face man at best.
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Yeah, myself, from an electibility stand point, I think Edwards would have an edge over Obama or Billary. Both of those two will, lets face it, lose votes for being black and female.

And yeah, Rudy is a pretty face. Right now, he looks electable, but I think he'll have a hard time. If Patriotism was riding the swell it was a few years ago, He'd have a better chance, maybe he coudl get Toby Keith as a running mate. Without Congressional or Gubanatorial background, he stands on a hard road.

Shame about Howard Dean going all nutso in 04. He was what the Dem's needed.

I think it'll be an interesting year next year.
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Funny, though, that he wasn't well liked, before 911 landed in his lap. Best thing that ever happened to him, politically, those terrorists.

As would be expected of a mayor of a major urban center, he's significantly more liberal than the current crop of me-too .

Which makes him more electable with the general election, but will make it harder for him to get through the primaries as the chosen one. (While your NYpost article tries to brush it off, it will be a bigger factor, I think, than he claims).


I think in general, the republican primaries will be very interesting. (Well, both, really. Both parties have lost their way in the last 10-15 years.) They've got a lot of cleanup to do from the bush admin, and need to move back towards center and away from being a conservative christian party.

Hell, the GOP was started to be a liberal alternative.

Agreed, Rudy's toughest battle will be to win the primaries. If he can do that I think he has a good chance, at least looking at it today. The election is a long way off and a lot can happen to change the situation.

Still he seems to have a lot of support from independent voters (like me). I like the economically conservative & socially liberal candidate.

If the GOP was smart they would field him because he is closer to the center. Let's face it there are a lot of voters still trying to punish the neocons. A push to the middle might be their only hope for getting swing votes.

As long as Hillary doesn't win I'm OK
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Not that I don't like Rudy, but I think he is like people say more of a faceman and the lack of first hand knowledge of washington politics will hurt him once the other candidates both republican and democrat start flinging mud. I was rooting for McCain 7 years ago and will again now. He is Vietnam vet and I think that will help him be a strong military leader. At the same time he has demonstrated his ability to work with the dems on both the filibuster compromises, as well as campaign finance reform despite how ineffective it was.
Just my .02 and there is still tons of time for things to change.
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I think Rudy should have stayed out till the next go around.

Unless Obama or Billary are the lead Dems, I think they are taking the White House at least for the next 4.
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Not that I don't like Rudy, but I think he is like people say more of a faceman and the lack of first hand knowledge of washington politics will hurt him once the other candidates both republican and democrat start flinging mud. I was rooting for McCain 7 years ago and will again now. He is Vietnam vet and I think that will help him be a strong military leader. At the same time he has demonstrated his ability to work with the dems on both the filibuster compromises, as well as campaign finance reform despite how ineffective it was.
Just my .02 and there is still tons of time for things to change.
I like McCain too, and would vote for him most likely (We aren't dems or reps, and my wife and I often vote differently. So it will actualyl come down to the person, and the platform, rather than the party).

I just wish he'd get a Jowel-lift. Those big Puffy cheeks aren't camera friendly. Same with Obama, he just looks wierd. Like Boris Karloff in The Mummy.
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its gonna be tough for him to get the evangelical vote, what with his stance on abortion and civil unions. I guess he could just pull a total flip flop like McCain...
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I guess Bush needs to run a few more airplanes before he leaves office so we are sure YOUR man Rudy gets elected . . . got to love the face man.
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I guess Bush needs to run a few more airplanes before he leaves office so we are sure YOUR man Rudy gets elected . . . got to love the face man.
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MM, I like this thread, and the best part is, Mike Sova and Chiefcumsucker are on ignore list! Everyone should try it!
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Old February 7th, 2007, 12:07 PM   #13
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Not that I don't like Rudy, but I think he is like people say more of a faceman and the lack of first hand knowledge of washington politics will hurt him once the other candidates both republican and democrat start flinging mud. I was rooting for McCain 7 years ago and will again now. He is Vietnam vet and I think that will help him be a strong military leader. At the same time he has demonstrated his ability to work with the dems on both the filibuster compromises, as well as campaign finance reform despite how ineffective it was.
Just my .02 and there is still tons of time for things to change.

No first hand knowledge of Washington?

Read this.....

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After a law clerkship following graduation from NYU School of Law, in 1970, Giuliani joined the Office of the US Attorney.

In 1973, he was named Chief of the Narcotics Unit and rose to serve as executive US Attorney. In 1975, Giuliani was recruited to Washington, D.C., where he was named Associate Deputy Attorney General and chief of staff to the Deputy Attorney General. His first high-profile prosecution was of Congressman Bert Podell, who was convicted of corruption. From 1977 to 1981, Giuliani practiced law at the Patterson, Belknap, Webb and Tyler law firm.

In 1981, Giuliani was named Associate Attorney General in the Reagan Administration, placing him in the third-highest position in the Department of Justice. As Associate Attorney General, Giuliani supervised all of the US Attorney Offices' Federal law enforcement agencies, the Department of Corrections, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and the United States Marshals Service.

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No first hand knowledge of Washington?

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After a law clerkship following graduation from NYU School of Law, in 1970, Giuliani joined the Office of the US Attorney.

In 1973, he was named Chief of the Narcotics Unit and rose to serve as executive US Attorney. In 1975, Giuliani was recruited to Washington, D.C., where he was named Associate Deputy Attorney General and chief of staff to the Deputy Attorney General. His first high-profile prosecution was of Congressman Bert Podell, who was convicted of corruption. From 1977 to 1981, Giuliani practiced law at the Patterson, Belknap, Webb and Tyler law firm.

In 1981, Giuliani was named Associate Attorney General in the Reagan Administration, placing him in the third-highest position in the Department of Justice. As Associate Attorney General, Giuliani supervised all of the US Attorney Offices' Federal law enforcement agencies, the Department of Corrections, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and the United States Marshals Service.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani
I said washington politics. Those are all appointed positions where he didn't need to get a public vote. He despite being elected mayor of the largest city in the us he still hasn't had experience in representign constituents as wide spread as an entire state like governors or senators, and often governors and senators also have experience on a national stage. As the former mayor of New York he is well know especialy after 9/11, but can you name off hand without looking it up one plan he came up with or implimented in New York and how it worked out? He hasn't had the scrutiny of being on the national stage the way Governors, Senators and even Representatives are.

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I guess Bush needs to run a few more airplanes before he leaves office so we are sure YOUR man Rudy gets elected . . . got to love the face man.
If you have nothing logical or relevent to say why comment? At least sova made a good point of it being hard for Rudy to get the evangelical vote with his liberal social stance. Your post was a Complete wase of your time as well as everyone elses.
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If you have nothing logical or relevent to say why comment? At least sova made a good point of it being hard for Rudy to get the evangelical vote with his liberal social stance. Your post was a Complete wase of your time as well as everyone elses.
Just points out that he wasn't liked before 9/11 happened. Thanks for trying to look smart though. I applude the effort.
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Wasn't liked by whom?

The criminals maybe. Wasn't well known across the country but I wouldn't say he wasn't well liked.

I still think he should be a consultant to major cities across the country.
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Wasn't liked by whom?

The criminals maybe. Wasn't well known across the country but I wouldn't say he wasn't well liked.

I still think he should be a consultant to major cities across the country.
Hmm, he wasn't exactly Mr. Popularity during his time as Mayor. 9/11 happened right at the end of that time, so thats what people remembered. He tried to force a 3 month extension of his term (theres a two-term limit so was not eligible to run again), and threatened lawsuits if it wasn't granted. The state legislature denied the request.

Although prostate cancer is waved as the reason for withdrawal from the senate race(which Hillary won her seat), he had other issues which were damaging his chance of winning.


Interesting, because you look at him and edwards, who are both high power, big dollar attorneys. Edwards has a strong populist tack, and pulls it off. Giuliani I just don't think so. 9/11 made him look like a strong leader, but, as sick as it makes me, I have to agree with Al Sharpton, who has said that it was the crisis that brought us together, even if Bozo had been mayor.

He's going to have critics of his stance on gun control, and he's going to make people nervous about freedom of speech of viewpoints opposite his religious views (elephant poo, anyone?).


I think he's a face man. Giuli vs edwards, I'd side with edwards. I have to read at least some level of mandate in the mid-term elections, that it was just as much about getting the bad out, as voting for specific candidates.
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its gonna be tough for him to get the evangelical vote, what with his stance on abortion and civil unions. I guess he could just pull a total flip flop like McCain...
funny...I thought he was for gay rights.

"I support civil unions." sounds better in the press then legal pole smokers I guess.
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LOL, its amazing why you think you can even talk in here. Sova's at least articulate sometimes.
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