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Old January 24th, 2007, 02:59 PM   #21
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Timeline For Nathaniel Abraham


1994 through Oct. 28, 1997: Nathaniel Abraham, by age 11, has 24 contacts with police, during which he is a suspect in cases such as burglary, home invasions, assault with a metal pipe and larceny. He also has contact with police after running away from home and when his mother turns in a rifle he was hiding at home.

Aug. 24, 1996: Witness says Abraham was seen running from a home before it caught fire; fire investigators later say fire could have accidentally started in the stove.

Jan. 1, 1997: A new law takes effect giving prosecutors in Michigan sole discretion to decide whether to try juveniles accused of serious crimes as adults. Previously judges made such decisions after holding hearings.

May 9, 1997:Several kids including Abraham chased out of a vacant house

May 21, 1997: Student reports Abraham threatened to
shoot him on school bus; police meet bus at school and search but find no weapon

Jul. 30, 1997 : Mother accuses Abraham of shooting her with BB gun; she declines to press charges.

Oct. 29, 1997: Ronnie Greene Jr. is shot in the head and killed near a convenience store in Pontiac. Two days later 11-year-old Nathaniel Abraham, his face painted for Halloween, is arrested and becomes the youngest person in the state to be charged as an adult with first-degree murder. He's also the first charged with murder under the new law.

Nov. 14, 1997: A probate judge orders Abraham to be tried as an adult after prosecutors present evidence that Abraham had planned to kill someone and confessed to the shooting afterward.
Probate Judge Eugene A. Moore throws out Abraham's confession, saying Abraham did not understand and couldn't knowingly waive his Miranda rights. Psychological tests show Abraham is developmentally disabled and functions on the mental level of a 6- or 7-year-old. An appeals court the next year allows use of the confession at trial.

Nov. 16, 1999: A jury in Oakland County convicts Abraham of second-degree murder. It deliberates 18 hours over four days.

Jan. 13, 2000: Moore sentences Abraham, 13, to juvenile custody until he's 21.

Jan. 18, 2007: Moore schedules a final status hearing, the day before Abraham turns 21 and is eligible to be released from all state supervision.

Jan. 19, 2007: Abraham's 21st birthday.

Feb. 21, 2007: Shot dead before he can cause anymore problems for society.
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Old January 24th, 2007, 11:49 PM   #22
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I paid my way though college (still paying actually) and I never even graduated.

And I don't really care. Hopefully the punk changes his ways and gets a good education.

The government gives money to people that don't deserve it in large sums every day. It's a problem with our system of welfare... unfortunately to feed and clothe 10 families that truly need and appreciate it, you have to pay out to 100 families that may not.
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Old January 25th, 2007, 05:51 AM   #24
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The government gives money to people that don't deserve it in large sums every day. It's a problem with our system of welfare... unfortunately to feed and clothe 10 families that truly need and appreciate it, you have to pay out to 100 families that may not.
Yeah well I'm not too thrilled about that either. Jenny wants to balance the budget in MI? Dump some of these lazy asses off welfare. I have never gotten a free ride why should they?
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Old January 26th, 2007, 03:00 PM   #25
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I'm not trying to trash you or your question / comment.

It is possible they did their job. I am sure their are others in the system that get a diploma, do good in college, get rehabilatated(sp?), etc.

Maybe Nate is just a F**King moron and didnt put forward the effort to learn and better himself. Just a thought.

I appreciate where you are coming from. My point is that they had him in a locked facility long enough, that even if he didn't apply himself, he still would have had enough hours in an educational environment to earn a diploma. I know that sucks, but the way the state grants diplomas in youth correctional institutions is based on the number of hours in instruction, along with passing grades. If he was able to grasp the information well enough to pass the GED test (which isn't easy--it takes a lot of personal determination and a fairly decent baseline of educational ability) then he should have been able to rack up enough hours and credits for the diploma.

Also, they could have dual-enrolled him at Delta and a local high school for credits that would have counted both toward his high school diploma and college credit. I just think it's silly that the State had him all that time and spent lots of dollars to "rehabilitate" him only to have him have no formal educational plan, no formal vocational plan (let alone a secure job at time of release....that is a requirement of Parmentor House where he was placed. Youth in care there are required to either be working, volunteering, or going to school or a combination of such in a full time capacity.)

If Nate's a wannabe Pimp/gangster (which I think he is based upon his choice of clothing for his "Freedom Parade") then so be it--we can't force him to be a respectful citizen. However, I still think that the State could have at least done a better job at getting him ready, especially since it was such a high profile case. IMO it just shows what a half-assed job we are doing at our attempts to rehabilitate. Imagine what a great job we are doing with all the other "no-name" cases that don't garner any public attention but cost just as much to "rehabilitate..."
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