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Old August 23rd, 2014, 06:19 AM   #41
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Man I love how many Seven Marine experts there are on here! I forgot this forum knows all! I could have skipped all my schooling and just came here to get my questions answered. Then again I am one of only two guys in the north east to have driven all of there boats up here, also only the second shop to have done a re-power with these outboards, and to top it all of we did it on the smallest boat to date with these motors. 34'.... Ok getting of my asshole soap box....

Now for the facts, yes the motor isn't light it comes in at 1050 lbs wet. Then again a Yamaha 350 comes in closer to 850-870 lbs wet so not a major bump in weight when you compare the HP numbers.

As for the comment about getting 450hp out of a 2 stroke.... Yeah that's great lets see it run for 300 miles in a day once a week for 8-10 weeks in a row and get back to me there is no way that thing lasts! I love two strokes and I love the smell of Yamaha Lube but there time has come and gone if you want a reliable high horsepower outboard don't look to two strokes

These motors bring a lot to the table the biggest thing I think personally is that they are closed cooling. Certainly not a major deal back in the great lakes with fresh water but out here in the salt water that's a game changer! They also don't use cone clutch's to shift they have a real transmission. This transmission is the same one that is bolted up to 700-800hp diesels so it is overkill for this application.

As to why anyone would want outboards in the first place the guys who are buying these are bolting them on to the back of 40-50' center console they are buying these things because there larger sport fish (70' and above) take to long to get out to the fishing grounds. They want to make a run out to the Canyon 150 miles out fish and be back home on the same day speed is important to these guys they could care less about fuel burn or anything else.

I am working on getting a promotional video together right now so once that is done I will share it here.
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To speak to the comment on 2 strokes. I by no means implied that they would compete with or in the same application to these motors. My point was people think of outboards as a 250-300hp bass motor and they are far from that.

Sure a Busch motor won't live up to a 300mile cruise but let's see a 7 marine motor go win at Jasper. You are comparing two totaly different things.
He explained himself clearly. It isn't him who is comparing two totally different things......... it is you.
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 06:45 AM   #42
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Bingo. He is commenting on the topic that was brought up.
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To speak to the comment on 2 strokes. I by no means implied that they would compete with or in the same application to these motors. My point was people think of outboards as a 250-300hp bass motor and they are far from that.

Sure a Busch motor won't live up to a 300mile cruise but let's see a 7 marine motor go win at Jasper. You are comparing two totaly different things.
I don't think you properly read between the lines. I'm pretty sure it said STFU.
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how much does a gain of 15 gallons an hour & 25 mph cost these days?
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$140,000ish for the two motors alone.
@Trendsetter where is that @ price wise for the up grades?
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Seven keeps those prices pretty close to the vest so I am not at liberty to give the exact numbers. There are a ton of factors at play here if your buying a brand new boat with these motors on it the prices goes down since the builder normally passes on his cost savings -vs- my customer who bought them straight from Seven and had us do the re-power.

I can say that a new nor tech 39' center console with twins 7's on the back runs only 2-3mph faster then this regulator 34'. For comparison sake that nor-tech was fully pimped out and cost around $750k-ish... We also have an Intrepid 37 with twins on the back that has more shit then most new houses it was closing in on the million dollar mark by the time that boat was finished being built.

My customer didn't just do a re-power but a total soup to nuts re-fit of his boat and its safe to say even though I don't know what he bought the boat for last year (it was a used 2010), I can say comfortably he a lot less than that into his boat and for all intensive purposes it is a 2014 boat now given everything that was done to it.

and now for the fun fact most outboards require a 3/8" pick up even the yamaha 350's will run with that size hose. These motors require 5/8" fuel hose (think garden hose!) and yes this required cutting out the old pick ups and welding in two new pick ups...

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Seven keeps those prices pretty close to the vest so I am not at liberty to give the exact numbers. There are a ton of factors at play here if your buying a brand new boat with these motors on it the prices goes down since the builder normally passes on his cost savings -vs- my customer who bought he straight from Seven and had us do the re-power.

I can say that a new nor tech 39' center console with twins 7's on the back runs only 2-3mph faster then this regulator 34'. For comparison sake that nor-tech was fully pimped out and cost around $750k-ish... We also have an Intrepid 37 with twins on the back that has more shit then most new houses it was closing in on the million dollar mark by the time that boat was finished being built.

My customer didn't just do a re-power but a total soup to nuts re-fit of his boat and its safe to say even though I don't know what he bought the boat for last year (it was a used 2010), I can say comfortably he a lot less than that into his boat and for all intensive purposes it is a 2014 boat now given everything that was done to it.

and now for the fun fact most outboards require a 3/8" pick up even the yamaha 350's will run with that size hose. These motors require 5/8" fuel hose (think garden hose!) and yes this required cutting out the old pick ups and welding in two new pick ups...
And btw, thanks for proving a few well, more over one person doesn't know shit about these motors.
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Looky there a close guarded secret. It is what it is. You guys stay here and argue I'm headed to the lake.
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Looky there a close guarded secret. It is what it is. You guys stay here and argue I'm headed to the lake.
How awesome is it to pretend you know all about something when you really don't? I'm going to give it a try sometime.
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Looky there a close guarded secret. It is what it is. You guys stay here and argue I'm headed to the lake.

Man you know it all. I will just call up the Davis family now and tell them you should be running the place! In all honesty that price was quoted out four years ago as a ballpark in a PR piece and not a firm number.
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To speak to the comment on 2 strokes. I by no means implied that they would compete with or in the same application to these motors. My point was people think of outboards as a 250-300hp bass motor and they are far from that.

Sure a Busch motor won't live up to a 300mile cruise but let's see a 7 marine motor go win at Jasper. You are comparing two totaly different things.
Don't worry, I understand your original 2 stroke comment was aimed towards me, thinking a 350hp outboard was a lot.
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Seven keeps those prices pretty close to the vest so I am not at liberty to give the exact numbers. There are a ton of factors at play here if your buying a brand new boat with these motors on it the prices goes down since the builder normally passes on his cost savings -vs- my customer who bought them straight from Seven and had us do the re-power.

I can say that a new nor tech 39' center console with twins 7's on the back runs only 2-3mph faster then this regulator 34'. For comparison sake that nor-tech was fully pimped out and cost around $750k-ish... We also have an Intrepid 37 with twins on the back that has more shit then most new houses it was closing in on the million dollar mark by the time that boat was finished being built.

My customer didn't just do a re-power but a total soup to nuts re-fit of his boat and its safe to say even though I don't know what he bought the boat for last year (it was a used 2010), I can say comfortably he a lot less than that into his boat and for all intensive purposes it is a 2014 boat now given everything that was done to it.

and now for the fun fact most outboards require a 3/8" pick up even the yamaha 350's will run with that size hose. These motors require 5/8" fuel hose (think garden hose!) and yes this required cutting out the old pick ups and welding in two new pick ups...
Its problaly much cheaper to buy/upgrade an older boat then pay for a new one with the taxes. To the buyer of something like this boat its making it what they want rather then buy what someone else thinks they want.
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Its problaly much cheaper to buy/upgrade an older boat then pay for a new one with the taxes. To the buyer of something like this boat its making it what they want rather then buy what someone else thinks they want.
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You hit the nail on the head right there. However when your talking nor tech and intrepid your talking about more or less custom boats done the way you want. Hell the nor tech is painted to match his Ferrari... And trust me the taxes I don't think ever enter into the thought process...

And anther fun fact, in the three to four weeks this customer has had to use his boat he has dropped close to 18k in fuel alone.... I don't think cost is the issue
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You hit the nail on the head right there. However when your talking nor tech and intrepid your talking about more or less custom boats done the way you want. Hell the nor tech is painted to match his Ferrari... And trust me the taxes I don't think ever enter into the thought process...

And anther fun fact, in the three to four weeks this customer has had to use his boat he has dropped close to 18k in fuel alone.... I don't think cost is the issue
Im no rich guy but know a few... telling your buddies you spent18000 in fuel will impress but spending the same in taxes will get the look.
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No he never told me the fuel burn I just look in the display it shows how much fuel was used since last serviced and did the math since fuel is around 4.50-4.75 a gallon these days
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only for a weekend, i wouldnt want to care for it, just play with it
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I meant in general wealthy people talk about cost like that to impress .
Someone I know bought a lake front home in Fenton. The wife and I painted it inside and out installed all new fixtures . We even lanscaped and put in a picket fence hell there was a plumber there all week too. . One week later he tore it down to build a new place. He will tell you how much the granite counters cost or how much extra the tv room cost but bring up taxes ? Dont want to talk about it.
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Since every boat expert in the tri-state area is reviewing this thread..... What is the pro/con of the propane outboard engines I've been hearing about?
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Since every boat expert in the tri-state area is reviewing this thread..... What is the pro/con of the propane outboard engines I've been hearing about?
They can run upside down without stalling, and, the built-in BBQ grill is nice.
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