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Old July 7th, 2014, 08:35 AM   #1
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Need some opinions.

I'm currently happy with my career, and on good terms with my employer. My direct boss is what I would call a good friend of mine. But, I don't want to do what I'm doing for my whole life.

There's currently a job opening in town that I'm potentially interested in applying for. With Traverse City being the small town that it is, there's no way I could apply for the job and not have word of it get back to my current employer. I'm thinking of having the conversation as I basically started this post, that I'm happy with my current job and like working here, but I'm interested in the possible career shift. Basically be up front and not try to hide anything, with the hope that if I don't get the other job I'm still going to be on good terms here. Thoughts?

Also, the other job is a traditional work schedule, where I am currently on four ten hour days. I love the three day weekends and I can watch and bond with my son on Fridays, which will be more and more fun as he gets older (he's 7 months). That could potentially be a deal breaker with moving to the new job. At what point should I talk to the new employer about the possibility of working four tens? During the interview process, or after I'd hopefully be offered the job?

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Old July 7th, 2014, 08:39 AM   #2
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1. There is nothing wrong with letting your employer know that you are happy with your current position but that you are in need of some new challenge. You'd prefer it be within the current organization as you really enjoy working for them, but there was a job posting recently that really caught your eye, and before you apply for it you wanted to see what new challenges were available within the company.

In other words, you should be able to talk to your boss and let him know you want to advance without him being upset with you. Especially considering you have been there for a while and have a good relationship with him.

2. Depends, how big of a deal breaker is it? I work from home, I interview fairly often, if working from home or a flexible work schedule is not offered from the potential employer I want to know right away, because there is no way I am working an 8-5 the way traffic is around here.... so it is up to you, but it also depends on how important it is to you.
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IMO, your boss would rather hear it from you opposed to hearsay.

however, if the new job position doesn't pan out, you leaving your current job will be in the back of your bosses mind.

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I would take the honest approach since you know they are going to find out anyway.

As for the 4 - 10's and seeing your son. How much do you get to see him on the four days right now? Kids bed times are pretty early so maybe you don't get to see him much on those days but on five days a week maybe other possibilities such as having family dinners together since you will be home earlier open up.
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Don't tell them until you have to. It's just business and you have to lookout for yourself first. If he finds out in a roundabout way you could acknowledge but downplay it by saying that you're always entertaining new opportunities (because you should), like it's a regular no big thing.

Don't bring up modifying the work schedule until they offer you the position, that is part of you negotiating pay, benefits, etc.

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Evaluate 4 10's vs 5 8's before you say anything to anyone. That's a big decision. I've done it both ways.....being honest doesn't always work out either. Either way I'm very jealous of not having to work 50+ hrs in NM to make a living.
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I would take the honest approach since you know they are going to find out anyway.

As for the 4 - 10's and seeing your son. How much do you get to see him on the four days right now? Kids bed times are pretty early so maybe you don't get to see him much on those days but on five days a week maybe other possibilities such as having family dinners together since you will be home earlier open up.
I know I'd much rather have this situation, even though the 3 day weekend would be awesome.

I currently am gone for work M-TH or M-F. The only thing I hate about my job is I can't get anything done around the house it seems, and when I am home I want to spend every minute with him, which can be bad too.
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Don't tell them until you have to. It's just business and you have to lookout for yourself first. If he finds out in a roundabout way you could acknowledge but downplay it by saying that you're always entertaining new opportunities (because you should), like it's a regular no big thing.

Don't bring up modifying the work schedule until they offer you the position, that is part of you negotiating pay, benefits, etc.
I'm on board with this.

Since you didn't say what you do or what you are looking at, very few manufacturing companies work 4-10's. We had that here and we just recently went back to 5-8's. If a 4 day work week is high on your priority list, I think you are really limiting your possibilities.
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I'm on board with this.

Since you didn't say what you do or what you are looking at, very few manufacturing companies work 4-10's. We had that here and we just recently went back to 5-8's. If a 4 day work week is high on your priority list, I think you are really limiting your possibilities.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 09:46 AM   #10
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I'm on board with this.

Since you didn't say what you do or what you are looking at, very few manufacturing companies work 4-10's. We had that here and we just recently went back to 5-8's. If a 4 day work week is high on your priority list, I think you are really limiting your possibilities.
It's government, and some of their departments have been doing some 4-10s in the winter when projects are slow. This position isn't customer service oriented or particularly time sensitive so if I could get all projects done M-T it would be fine.

Good comments here, appreciate all the thoughts so far!
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh another government employee only working 4 days a week.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh another government employee only working 4 days a week.


To be honest with you our residents like it, because they can come in before or after their normal 8-5, and just know we're closed on Friday. We've been doing it for probably 3 years now and it works out great.

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Either way I'm very jealous of not having to work 50+ hrs in NM to make a living.
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Evaluate 4 10's vs 5 8's before you say anything to anyone. That's a big decision. I've done it both ways.....being honest doesn't always work out either. Either way I'm very jealous of not having to work 50+ hrs in NM to make a living.
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As far as telling the boss I did mine a little differently.

I feel like I'm jinxing it now, but I have an interview Friday for a job up north. Basically laid it out for my boss. I'm happy with my job, he has always presented me with challenging work that will make me succeed in my career. However, I do want to move back to MI due to aging family (My side is almost 80's and needs more assistance than my sister can give) and because the job market is what it is in the UP I have to apply to good jobs ASAP.

One came up and I got to the point where its either I lie to him about why I'm taking vacation or be straight forward about it. I told him if it wasn't for the fact that my family pretty much lived like hermits over the winter (there were WEEKS where they didn't clean their driveway), I wouldn't even be applying as I'm also getting married next month. He wasn't happy, but he understood why I'm applying.

Hopefully things go well for you either way.
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One benefit of telling your boss is they might want to keep you and start throwing money your way....
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honesty is always the best policy. most the times it will work out for the better, but there is ALWAYS the chance it can go bad.

honestly dude! it could always be worse. if you have a GOOD job with GOOD pay in northern michigan and always have a 3 day weekend what more can you ask for?! if this is just about a challenge I would suck it up and spend more time with my son for the unforseable future. especially if you like your job. dont mind going to work (4 days a week), and your boss is a "good freind".

That other job better be much higher paying and have some AWESOME benefits! without knowing more info I wouldnt do it. your new boss could be the complete opposite of a friend. OH, and when and if you leave your current job please drop my name and resume to your boss!!! :)

the extra time with your kid you can NEVER get back.
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